Cinematic Studio Brass vs.Cinebrass

Discussion in 'SAMPLE Talk' started by ChrisSiuMusic, Dec 22, 2018.

  1. Scamper

    Scamper Active Member

    179
    200
    Dec 11, 2014
    What was different about the old dynamics in CB? I'm just happy they brought the slider for the dynamic volume range.

    I find the brassy CB sound more rounded and in a way more pleasant, but while CB is pretty much maxed there, CSB is at CC1/dynamics of 80-90, so it can go louder and brassier.

    Yes, that's right. I should have kept this consistent.
     
  2. erikradbo

    erikradbo Active Member

    227
    119
    Sep 16, 2016
    Gothenburg, Sweden
    And 5) Snappy shorts from CB rather than CSB
     
    JohnBMears likes this.
  3. Consona

    Consona Senior Member

    1,305
    677
    Aug 5, 2011
    Really? Do you have the demo saved? Could you push CSB in the fanfarish part from 0:29 onward to the more brassier level?
     
  4. Hanu_H

    Hanu_H Senior Member

    927
    476
    Nov 7, 2011
    I think it was 1.6. update where they did some normalizing for the samples, before that it was just raw dynamics that was recorded. For me the dynamics sounded really good and natural and I still use the old instruments sometimes. The old legato and etc. are of course not on the bar with the new improved ones, but for simple dynamic things it works.

    -Hannes
     
    Scamper likes this.
  5. Scamper

    Scamper Active Member

    179
    200
    Dec 11, 2014
    Ok, now comparing both just for this part with maxed dynamics at the end. Keep in mind, that I used CSB still out of the box, but had to push CineBrass by about 9-10dB to match the volume.

    CineBrass first, then CSB.

     

    Attached Files:

    Consona likes this.
  6. erikradbo

    erikradbo Active Member

    227
    119
    Sep 16, 2016
    Gothenburg, Sweden
    I want CSB to sound better, but here I find CB having the edge with it's rounder sound.
     
  7. JohnBMears

    JohnBMears Senior Member

    531
    300
    Jan 12, 2015
    Thank you!! CineBrass does sound great. Any chance to upload that midi file?
     
  8. jamwerks

    jamwerks Senior Member

    3,923
    751
    Mar 21, 2010
    Don't have it yet but CSB here sounds fantastic. I recently purchased Century Brass and that and CSB seemingly sound quite close.
     
    JohnBMears likes this.
  9. Scamper

    Scamper Active Member

    179
    200
    Dec 11, 2014
    Right, I also like the rounder sound, but since this is really the top end of CSB, I see it more of an extra. Mostly, I will probably keep it around the level of the whole track with dynamic values of up to 100. I think in this range it also has more body, but yeah, CineBrass still has it's warm quality.

    Sure, but since I just had it, here's the midi file for the whole track (CSB part), if that's alright. The notes for Bass Trombone and Tuba are up an octave there because of CSB.
     

    Attached Files:

    JohnBMears likes this.
  10. Consona

    Consona Senior Member

    1,305
    677
    Aug 5, 2011
    Thank you. Hm. They sound rather similar here.

    I don't know what you guys call a "rounder" sound, but to me, CSB is the one that has a rounder tone, CB is more open at the high end. Just like CSS, CSB have this darker top end, is it due to the room or the recording equipment? Dunno, but CSSS sound quite normal.
     
  11. JohnBMears

    JohnBMears Senior Member

    531
    300
    Jan 12, 2015
    Wow- thanks so much! Are you using the 1.6 or 1.7 version of CineBrass? Which mapping system for articulation changing do you prefer in CineBrass? Thank you again.
     
  12. Scamper

    Scamper Active Member

    179
    200
    Dec 11, 2014
    Interesting. At this maximum dynamic (considering CineBrass is a level below CSB), I perceive CineBrass to be rounder, meaning warmer and having more body, while CSB becomes super brassy and sharp without low end, but I would think this is just the nature of the brass sound at this dynamic for a recording, isn't it?

    Sorry, the MIDI was for CSB. I'll post the version for CineBrass as well. I'm using CineBrass 1.7 with the standard mapping, pedal for sustains and key velocity for short articulations.
     
  13. Hanu_H

    Hanu_H Senior Member

    927
    476
    Nov 7, 2011
    Yes, CSB sounds a lot darker compared to CB. For my taste CB wins this one. It seems that if you are looking for a library for fanfares or really loud dynamics, CB is still hard to beat.

    Edit: Actually listening it again, I think it's just some mid's that are really dominant in the CSB sound, making it sound more rounder. It still has the brassiness in the top end, but with CB it sounds more obvious.

    -Hannes
     
  14. Scamper

    Scamper Active Member

    179
    200
    Dec 11, 2014
    Here's the MIDI for Cinebrass.
     

    Attached Files:

  15. OP
    OP
    ChrisSiuMusic

    ChrisSiuMusic Active Member

    483
    691
    Dec 21, 2017
    Agreed, CB has that stage sound that just opens up so beautifully.
     
  16. JohnBMears

    JohnBMears Senior Member

    531
    300
    Jan 12, 2015
    Awesome! Thanks. Using Mix mic position or something custom?
     
  17. Scamper

    Scamper Active Member

    179
    200
    Dec 11, 2014
    It was just the standard full mix.
     
    JohnBMears likes this.
  18. kevthurman

    kevthurman Member

    92
    77
    Dec 18, 2018
    I think I prefer CSB here. I think it could be warmed up a bit with reverb and sounds cleaner and more punchy to my ears.
     
  19. Henu

    Henu Senior Member

    553
    617
    Nov 17, 2017
    Finland
    I've said it before, and I say it again- willing to sell a kidney for the impulse. It's the best stage I've ever heard with orchestral samples.
     
  20. Consona

    Consona Senior Member

    1,305
    677
    Aug 5, 2011
    EQing the High dynamics demo, I think you are right. Cutting some mids (still trying to figure out the right frequencies) can help, plus adding some top end to open the sound (not much, like +1 dB maybe) and some reverb.
    CB feels more spacious and the sound is great out of the box, but with that eq and reverb help, CSB sounds really good, together with that playability... Hmmm... F**k! I just want more money, that's what I need. :roflmao: To buy them all.

    Btw using frequency analyzer is fricking useless. Both libraries have so similar frequency profile that you basically have to eq it by ear.

    But I think there's a possibility 90s legatos will be even tighter than CSB. From what I've heard from the Trumpets alone, the fast legato is really good (plus it has the auto borrow) and you can choose what attack type you want, so it's like CSB's marcato legato. The dyn range in CSB is wider, IMO.
     
    ChrisSiuMusic likes this.

Share This Page