Cinematic Studio Brass vs.Cinebrass

jbuhler

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I’m sure we’ll have a comparison thread for that as soon as it’s released. :dancedance:

I am curious through in this comparison, as I have the Cinebrass bundle, but am wondering what users of both think.
It’s never too soon for a comparison thread by why not make it a general brass comparison thread rather than that specific one?
 

AlexanderSchiborr

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dont have cinebrass but own csb, too early for me..sound is good though, playabilitiy is a bit clunky..but since I am working so much with ibrass and sample modeling brass, I am used to the playability thing now and then those clunkyness really becomes so obvious. However, I think cinebrass is awesome also considering that it is 7 or 8 years old. Its like with hollywood brass, still a valuable product.
 
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ChrisSiuMusic

ChrisSiuMusic

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It’s never too soon for a comparison thread by why not make it a general brass comparison thread rather than that specific one?
I feel that there are quite a few general brass threads already (such as this one: https://vi-control.net/community/threads/brass-which-one.76650/#post-4304215), and those who may be wondering the same questions as me could find this thread useful after some more input. :) I’m all for a new general thread once more libs come out next year!
 

HelixK

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I’m sure we’ll have a comparison thread for that as soon as it’s released. :dancedance:

I am curious through in this comparison, as I have the Cinebrass bundle, but am wondering what users of both think.
Yea I'd be interested in hearing direct comparisons between CB and CSB too.
 

JohnBMears

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Which patches would you like compared? I can play a few lines in both and post. I find them to be close in room sound (if you turn off the built in Default IR in CineBrass). The legato transitions in CSB sound to me like a midpoint between the exposed slurs in Berlin Brass and the more directed slurs in CineBrass. The dynamic crossfading is so so good in CSB that the library has so many more uses. The CineBrass 6horns is a weak point to me and the CSB 4horns make up for it.

@ChrisSiuMusic From watching and listening to your stuff, I think you'll find CSB to straddle the fence between CB and BB. Since you have CSS, you'll also appreciate how well they work together. Honestly (with the exception of low dynamic part-writing) I could see myself doing without BB now that I have CSB. The superhero sound of the Trumpet Ensemble in CineBrass will always remain in my template, but much of the rest of CineBrass is also covered by CSB.

In another thread I mentioned feeling like CSB is a reprogrammed and rescripted (and scaled down) Hollywood Brass for Kontakt.
 
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ChrisSiuMusic

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Which patches would you like compared? I can play a few lines in both and post. I find them to be close in room sound (if you turn off the built in Default IR in CineBrass). The legato transitions in CSB sound to me like a midpoint between the exposed slurs in Berlin Brass and the more directed slurs in CineBrass. The dynamic crossfading is so so good in CSB that the library has so many more uses. The CineBrass 6horns is a weak point to me and the CSB 4horns make up for it.

@ChrisSiuMusic From watching and listening to your stuff, I think you'll find CSB to straddle the fence between CB and BB. Since you have CSS, you'll also appreciate how well they work together. Honestly (with the exception of low dynamic part-writing) I could see myself doing without BB now that I have CSB. The superhero sound of the Trumpet Ensemble in CineBrass will always remain in my template, but much of the rest of CineBrass is also covered by CSB.

In another thread I mentioned feeling like CSB is a reprogrammed and rescripted (and scaled down) Hollywood Brass for Kontakt.
That’s really interesting, thanks for sharing your thoughts John! Would you be able to do a slow and fast legato example for horn 1 in BB and solo horn in CSB? Also, I’ve heard others say the 6 Horns is weak in CB, but I find myself using it in every cue. I’m less of a fan of the 2 horns, because although they’re great for chords, they only have 1 type of short recorded.

One of the main reasons I’m curious about this comparison is because I’m wondering if CSB can put forth the same level of dynamic heroism and inspiration that Cinebrass does? The Sony room does a lot to enhance the sound, so I’m curious about the natural ambience of Trackdown as well.
 

JohnBMears

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That’s really interesting, thanks for sharing your thoughts John! Would you be able to do a slow and fast legato example for horn 1 in BB and solo horn in CSB? Also, I’ve heard others say the 6 Horns is weak in CB, but I find myself using it in every cue. I’m less of a fan of the 2 horns, because although they’re great for chords, they only have 1 type of short recorded.

One of the main reasons I’m curious about this comparison is because I’m wondering if CSB can put forth the same level of dynamic heroism and inspiration that Cinebrass does? The Sony room does a lot to enhance the sound, so I’m curious about the natural ambience of Trackdown as well.
Yeah there is no doubting how awesome the CineSound is. For me it is the scripting in the legato on the Horns. CineSamples said themselves in the update a few years ago that being their first library they had a learning curve. As a brass player who has spent so much time with Berlin Brass and now CSB, that envelope closing and opening on legato transitions sound pretty apparent to me. But the shorts of CineBrass and CineStrings are the some of the most precise out there. Compare it here to CSB.
 

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kevthurman

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Yeah there is no doubting how awesome the CineSound is. For me it is the scripting in the legato on the Horns. CineSamples said themselves in the update a few years ago that being there first library they had a learning curve. As a brass player who has spent so much time with Berlin Brass and now CSB, that envelope closing and opening on legato transitions sound pretty apparent to me. But the shorts of CineBrass and CineStrings are the some of the most precise out there. Compare it here to CSB.
I think that video pretty much settles it haha!:rofl:
 

novaburst

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Yeah there is no doubting how awesome the CineSound is. For me it is the scripting in the legato on the Horns. CineSamples said themselves in the update a few years ago that being there first library they had a learning curve. As a brass player who has spent so much time with Berlin Brass and now CSB, that envelope closing and opening on legato transitions sound pretty apparent to me. But the shorts of CineBrass and CineStrings are the some of the most precise out there. Compare it here to CSB.
Noticed 6 horns on CB and only 4 horns on CSB, can you give us a more equal comparison
 

novaburst

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It's not really about the numbers, it's about the scripting.
Less horns will cut through more precise, also CB has adaptive legato, I feel when doing a comparison you need to perform with the library's best advantage, so you will say what has this library given me to get the best out of it, because that is how you will use it when doing your project some library's will not give good comparisons by just pressing the notes and comparing, you need to set your library up for best performance
 

AlexanderSchiborr

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Yeah there is no doubting how awesome the CineSound is. For me it is the scripting in the legato on the Horns. CineSamples said themselves in the update a few years ago that being there first library they had a learning curve. As a brass player who has spent so much time with Berlin Brass and now CSB, that envelope closing and opening on legato transitions sound pretty apparent to me. But the shorts of CineBrass and CineStrings are the some of the most precise out there. Compare it here to CSB.
Thanks for the comparison. While I think the tone of CS is absolutely great I find (at least in your example) the transitions..so clunky and bumpy with Cinebrass. CSB handles that there imo much better, sounds so much more smooth. Is that something you can fix with programming or using different patches?
 

JohnBMears

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Noticed 6 horns on CB and only 4 horns on CSB, can you give us a more equal comparison
CineBrass only recorded 6Horns (well they did a 2 horn patch but it's kind of incomplete IMO).
CSB only recorded 4Horns and Solo Horn. If I'm comparing those two libraries there are no congruent patches for horns...

Also this is done with CineBrass Core 1.7 which has their own attempt at adaptive legato.
 

JohnBMears

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I'd add that those folks who are accustomed to Berlin Brass will find much more familiarity with the sound and scripting of CSB. Check out this example. While somewhat similar, The main difference you'll notice is that BB horn 1 is at mod wheel 127 and CSB is only halfway up on xfade. CSB is like the missing link to BB's dynamics. I imagine them working well together.
 

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Sovereign

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Thanks for the comparison. While I think the tone of CS is absolutely great I find (at least in your example) the transitions..so clunky and bumpy with Cinebrass. CSB handles that there imo much better, sounds so much more smooth. Is that something you can fix with programming or using different patches?
Bumpy transitions is a problem IMO with much of the whole Cine line-up, including their strings. Which is unfortunate since better scripting could take it to a whole new level. Legatos are also not sampled "long-form" (meaning they do x-fades into every destination note).
 

Raphioli

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I'd add that those folks who are accustomed to Berlin Brass will find much more familiarity with the sound and scripting of CSB. Check out this example. While somewhat similar, The main difference you'll notice is that BB horn 1 is at mod wheel 127 and CSB is only halfway up on xfade. CSB is like the missing link to BB's dynamics. I imagine them working well together.
wow, they sound more similar than I've expected.
thx for the comparison.
 

JohnBMears

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Thanks for the comparison. While I think the tone of CS is absolutely great I find (at least in your example) the transitions..so clunky and bumpy with Cinebrass. CSB handles that there imo much better, sounds so much more smooth. Is that something you can fix with programming or using different patches?
Yeah I actually think that the older script for CineBrass 1.6 sounds better than the new 1.7. I know nothing about scripting, just have 26 years experience playing trombone and hearing brass instruments. I feel their new 'adaptive' rescript probably made the response time more agile with quick playing, but it creates a 'gap' for more moderate speed playing that I think sounds worse than the previous version. Attached is the older CineBrass script compared to CSB. As well as close cousin, Hollywood Brass 6 Horns.
 

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