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Cinematic Studio Brass vs.Cinebrass

Here's another direct comparison between CSB and Cinebrass, each playing the "Raiders March" out of the box, no extra EQ or reverb. (Note: the CSB clip is the one NoamL posted in another thread, hope he doesn't mind my re-posting it here.)

First is CSB, second is Cinebrass.

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JohnBMears said:
I'd add that those folks who are accustomed to Berlin Brass will find much more familiarity with the sound and scripting of CSB. Check out this example. While somewhat similar, The main difference you'll notice is that BB horn 1 is at mod wheel 127 and CSB is only halfway up on xfade. CSB is like the missing link to BB's dynamics. I imagine them working well together.
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Nice comparison but I am not hearing a difference in dynamic, more in volume
 
JohnBMears did mention BB in his first post, so I thought it was natural for you to become curious.
It isn't bad to be flexible.
 
As a happy Cinebrass owner, this is a really interesting thread to hear the different in tone between the two libraries. Both sound great imo...
 
I own all 4 (CSB, CB, CBPro, Descant Horn) but I'll be reaching for CSB mostly from now on.

Would I still buy CB if I have CSB? No (CSB has better legato, repetition sampling and its wonderful UI). Would I still get CBPro? Maybe (has many FX and monster patches that CSB doesn't, plus 12 horn patches). Would I still get the Descant Horn? Absolutely.

They have different sounds that can factor into your decision but taking into account the price points of CSB and CB and the functionality you get in return, CSB wins out hands down.
 
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JohnBMears said:
Yeah there is no doubting how awesome the CineSound is. For me it is the scripting in the legato on the Horns. CineSamples said themselves in the update a few years ago that being their first library they had a learning curve. As a brass player who has spent so much time with Berlin Brass and now CSB, that envelope closing and opening on legato transitions sound pretty apparent to me. But the shorts of CineBrass and CineStrings are the some of the most precise out there. Compare it here to CSB.
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Thanks for your help John. Will have to think hard about this one.
 
JohnBMears said:
A quick mockup from The Santa Clause 3. Just saw it flipping channels and recalled that it was composed by George S. Clinton who is also from Middle Tennessee (like me). Strings and Brass are all Cinematic Studios.

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Wish I could give multiple likes.
A bit early but Merry Christmas to you too!
 
I'm speaking from a somewhat left-field place, in that I'm an originally orchestral-first composer who's come to really embrace the fact that most projects don't have a budget for an orchestra. I actually really hate the sound of layering a small ensemble or solo player over a MIDI arrangement -- give me a full orchestra or give me death! -- so I've just stopped doing that, and have slowly arrived at a place farther and farther away from your standard orchestral sound. My sound has been heavily influenced by the fact that I treat virtual orchestras like oscillators and go from there -- often, they're fodder for what is best described as tonal sound design, in that I filter and process them just as one would a saw wave.

So, take my opinion with a gallon of salt.

CineBrass has been my main brass library for basically ever. Love it. Just like LASS, I know it well and can achieve just about anything I want with it. Sometimes it takes some serious tweaking (lots of print to audio then processing from there, sometimes quite heavily), but to be honest that should be expected; regardless of your goals re: realism, a library is not an orchestra, and therefore a good amount of (audio) editing and processing post-MIDI programming should probably be expected if you want truly great results.

I'm still new to CSB, as are we all, but I like it a lot. Alex is doing amazing work. His libraries are among the most immediately playable I've come across, and that counts for a lot.

It's not that different than CineBrass, tone-wise, but is a bit more playable, a bit more realistic. I feel it can be best described as "CineBrass 2.0."

If you expect needing to do nothing more than MIDI programming: you'll probably be underwhelmed with either, but better served by CSB; a good rule of thumb is to go with the more modern one. Both are great, though. Difficult to truly compare. CineBrass is a classic, IMO, so no matter what, you can't really go wrong.
 
Thanks Alex, that was helpful.

CineBrass Core was my first brass "real" brass library, and it remains my favorite, in part because I really like their articulation control scheme, but mostly I really like the sound.

I was about to purchase CineBrass Pro when CSB was released. So I've been wrestling with the decision.

I won't give up on CB Core, but I think the next step i CSB - I find Alex's articulation management scheme to very usable too, I suspect I prefer Cinesamples approach mostly because I've used it longer? CSB provides solo and ensemble trumpets, trombones, horns, and a tuba - the basics. CB Pro has a little more, I especially like their sections, but I can fill in other instruments from other libraries. (Alex, if you are watching please add a solo piccolo trumpet, a trumpet in C, different sized sections, and flugelhorn, and and and... oh never mind.)
 
wst3 said:
Thanks Alex, that was helpful.

CineBrass Core was my first brass "real" brass library, and it remains my favorite, in part because I really like their articulation control scheme, but mostly I really like the sound.

I was about to purchase CineBrass Pro when CSB was released. So I've been wrestling with the decision.

I won't give up on CB Core, but I think the next step i CSB - I find Alex's articulation management scheme to very usable too, I suspect I prefer Cinesamples approach mostly because I've used it longer? CSB provides solo and ensemble trumpets, trombones, horns, and a tuba - the basics. CB Pro has a little more, I especially like their sections, but I can fill in other instruments from other libraries. (Alex, if you are watching please add a solo piccolo trumpet, a trumpet in C, different sized sections, and flugelhorn, and and and... oh never mind.)
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If you're still on the fence between which library to purchase CB or CSB. A lot of users are posting demos on the forum here called Cinematic Brass. I don't have CB but I did make a short demo/test with CSB.
 
CSB solo horn compared to Cinebrass Descant solo horn. I don't own CSB so I used @JohnBMears example.

0:00 CSB solo horn
0:11 Descant Horn matching dynamics...about 70% CC1
0:23 Descant Horn with some minor modwheel action

There is also some noodling at the end to show the noise present at higher notes.

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tehreal said:
I own all 4 (CSB, CB, CBPro, Descant Horn) but I'll be reaching for CSB mostly from now on.
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Considering that you know them all now and that CSB and CB are somewhat similar, how much would you feel the need to get CSB, if you only had CB?
Sure, CSB seems to be a lot better in general, but I'm not sure, if I can justify it due to the similarities. What I certainly miss in CB is the Solo Tuba and Bass Trombone, so maybe it's just worth it for those.
 
Scamper said:
Considering that you know them all now and that CSB and CB are somewhat similar, how much would you feel the need to get CSB, if you only had CB?
Sure, CSB seems to be a lot better in general, but I'm not sure, if I can justify it due to the similarities. What I certainly miss in CB is the Solo Tuba and Bass Trombone, so maybe it's just worth it for those.
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If you have the loyalty discount coupon I think it's worth it to replace CB Core. Otherwise you could just hold off for the next sale or something. My personal rule of thumb is "if I'm on the fence about getting a library, I don't get it."
 
tehreal said:
If you have the loyalty discount coupon I think it's worth it to replace CB Core. Otherwise you could just hold off for the next sale or something. My personal rule of thumb is "if I'm on the fence about getting a library, I don't get it."
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You've already climbed the fence, which is the hard part. All you have to do now is lean gently towards the neighbouring garden, and the rest will be taken care of... GO ON!
 
for me, I personally prefer cinematic brass over cinebrass core. Cinebrass' legato scripting isn't that great. cinematic brass on the other hand has great legato scripting with very clean sounding legato transition between notes. the shorts for cinematic brass are awesome as well (especially that repetition patch. works marvelously). The marcato patch sounds awesome as well.
 
My thoughts: I own BB, CB and HB... It is hard to match the tone of CB. BB for its flexibility (individual sampled instruments), room sound, warmth and lower dynamics, I'm considering purchasing CSB for its legato and the control on dynamic range. Some of these libraries are different and we need a mix of them, it's not like one thing or the other..
 
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