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Junkie XL Brass?

ProfoundSilence said:
Plenty of us do(including myself)

You could have simply checked your mod wheel before you bothered posting about the library. CH brass isn't a beginners library, and someone reading your original review doesn't know that you hadn't tried moving cc1. Your audio example was the most misleading noise you could make with the library that i can even think of, and understanding the software you purchased for ~600$ takes minutes at most. Less time than you spent making the example and posting it - that's why it's extremely concerning.

if you had made a post saying "I can't seem to figure out how to change the dynamics" or something, we'd be more helpful. instead it's like you bought a car and left a bad review because you couldn't see anything at night because you'd turned the headlights off.


Because his comparison was asking two people to race, but shooting one of the competitors in the foot before the start of the race - and then complaining that he put his money on that person and they are much slower at running than they expected.
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Thanks for editing your post and the analogy. I now get where you are coming from.
 
AlainTH said:
Oxytoxine your comparison of dynamics range is interesting. Some here are very "unfriend", indeed... i don't see why...
ProfoundSilence thank you, this exemple is interesting also. this time the dynamics seems not so different for the trumpet (and the sound is different)...for the horns you programm, jxl is less well sounding IMO but dynamic has more amplitude.
Each library is so different, the point is to know them and buy/utilize with this knowing, so thank you.
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it's a strange comparison because it's not volume matched - and my "custom mix" is rather quiet in general. I wanted to record an example where I show exactly me opening the instruments - setting the controllers, recording midi and directly dropping it onto the next one.
Oxytoxine said:
Thanks for editing your post and the analogy. I now get where you are coming from.
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Like I said, I'm not saying your situation is impossible - I'm just a bit on guard because it seemed odd. After "mockup gate" and the conversation that followed it, I became a little more skeptical.
 
ProfoundSilence said:
I've become a sample miser, and admittedly I've been short on patience. The phrasing in his original post(intended or not) made me really get the mental image of someone buying something expensive putting in 0 effort and immediately complaining. When he posted the example using CH brass and then REALLY bad examples of JXL brass - I got suspicious that it's intentional. Sounds like maybe he is just radically new to VI, and randomly spent a bunch of time on CH but wasnt willing to spend the same on JXL? I don't know... but he is relatively new to the forum, magically knows how to operate the BBCSO sample player - likes the library, and has the opposite experience with JXL/sine.

I'm not interested in call out culture, but I would be lying if I didn't atleast point out that I'm not fully convinced his experience is simply user error. Time will tell, sometimes people like GIMP but hate photoshop. I just think it seems really odd - maybe PT's statement about the possibility of turfing/ect got my paranoid.
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I can assure you this is not the case, no reason for paranoia. It's as you described: new to VI, new to JXL, new to almost everything. I have libraries from all the companies, and if you have read my other posts then you also know that I made very critical comments on the other libraries.

Thanks for explaining, and I can now understand what you meant. I too have the impression that this forum is full of shills sometimes, and to be honest your first reaction made me think that you might be shilling for OT, just shooting down every "critical" comment, so I got defensive, too.

I'm just a simple user trying to find my way around this. And of course you are generally right in that I should spend more time with a lib before posting anything. And if I try to do a comparison then do it properly, and not in 5 minutes before hurrying to catch the train.

Although I will maintain my initial point about being a bit disappointed, it really does not sound as good to me as I hoped, and this is not only due to user error but also apparent in your examples. But as mentioned in the very beginning - this is fully my own fault. Like buying Coke but wanting Fanta.

If I really left CC1 full up, I am very ashamed :thumbsdown: will check tonight. Peace and out.
 
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Oxytoxine said:
I can assure you this is not the case, no reason for paranoia.
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There is a reason for paranoia, it's just not YOUR fault. Combination between me hating the holidays and December, being stressed and tired from working non stop since thanksgiving, and frankly just having a stressful job.
Oxytoxine said:
If I really left CC1 full up, I am very ashamed :thumbsdown: will check tonight. Peace and out.
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you say that, but I HAVE(and others have) not moved modwheel CC1 and thought my installation of Dominus was broken, tried redownloading/ect repeatedly back and forth with paolo through the support email - and realized I just never moved the modwheel so it was silent. Atleast a few other people occasionally do that... and it's not even a new library thing - it happened to me twice, and didn't happen to me when I first bought it - I just straight up forgot I had to move the modwheel to have any sound. (maybe some companies have their modwheel 100% by default for that reason?)

btw you can control any of the artciulations with CC or velocity
 
I too have had the shock of loading a VST library and getting no sound, only to realize a bit later that the mod wheel was down. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh!

:)
 
ProfoundSilence said:
There is a reason for paranoia, it's just not YOUR fault. Combination between me hating the holidays and December, being stressed and tired from working non stop since thanksgiving, and frankly just having a stressful job.

you say that, but I HAVE(and others have) not moved modwheel CC1 and thought my installation of Dominus was broken, tried redownloading/ect repeatedly back and forth with paolo through the support email - and realized I just never moved the modwheel so it was silent. Atleast a few other people occasionally do that... and it's not even a new library thing - it happened to me twice, and didn't happen to me when I first bought it - I just straight up forgot I had to move the modwheel to have any sound. (maybe some companies have their modwheel 100% by default for that reason?)

btw you can control any of the artciulations with CC or velocity
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All good on my side - I hope that your work / life situation will relax in the foreseeable future!

Haha, thanks for sharing your mod wheel story - glad to know that I am not the only one making such mistakes :)

Hopefully nevertheless happy holidays.
 
I dont think any library sounds good using just the close mics with no reverb.

What mic positions does Chris Hein have and which were used?
 
I didn't have time to check the forums and was surprised to see the new posts.
I can see why some people became "unfriendly" as someone pointed out.

Oxytoxine wrote the following line, but was actually doing the same thing with his/her example to JXL Brass IMHO.
Oxytoxine said:
It’s comments like “Chris hein brass doesn’t have nearly the same dynamic range” that can give uninformed newbies like me really a wrong impression of the instrument.
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And after reading every post, I can understand why ProfoundSilence got kinda suspicious.
I wouldn't have personally called it out, but definitely would have been suspicious.

Noeticus said:
I too have had the shock of loading a VST library and getting no sound, only to realize a bit later that the mod wheel was down. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh!
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Anyways, I think I've experienced something similar for the first time when I got HWS.
Thought it was bugged, but was the mod wheel and expression pedal lol
 
Riding mod wheel aka cc1 is one of the basic things we do with sample orchestras. Why are we discussing about this for two pages?! I’m confused - I need more coffee...
 
stargazer said:
Ok, but why not adjust the octave for the horns at least to make the comparison a bit more relevant?
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I honestly didn't predict CH horns weren't going to be concert pitch. after a long 12 hour work day, I rushed it together so I could continue getting for bed so I would actually wake up for work the next day.
 
Multiple crashes using SINE (1.0.1) in VEPro reported. Already sent a number of crash logs all from the same day to the manufacturers. According to VSL's response, it appears that SINE player is definitely the cause of some of theses at least which makes sense since VEPro crashed while using SINE to load/unload sounds.
 
kmm08 said:
Multiple crashes using SINE (1.0.1) in VEPro reported. Already sent a number of crash logs all from the same day to the manufacturers. According to VSL's response, it appears that SINE player is definitely the cause of some of theses at least which makes sense since VEPro crashed while using SINE to load/unload sounds.
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There is definitely an issue with the loading/unloading of the samples. I really hope they get to the bottom of it quickly.
 
I've also been getting crashes when launching VEP 7 if there are SINE player instances in the metaframe. The instances start launching but when VEP 7 attempts to launch instances with SINE player the launching process basically gets stuck and VEP 7 locks up and becomes inactive. I have to restart my computer and usually a second attempt launches my template including all SINE player instances.
 
Yes, unfortunately as far as I can tell, SINE player is definitely not fully compatible with VEPro at this point in time. Not sure which software/DAW they used when testing the actual plugin versions? Also would be interesting to find out if anyone has any better/worse results when using the VST vs AU versions of the plugin. I believe I had the AU version loaded (on a Mac Pro - High Sierra/Mojave).
 
Talking about the Junky XL Brass, it seems to me that the vibrato comes out of an LFO.. someone can confirm it or am I paranoid?
 
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