Oxytoxine
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Huh? What do you mean? I am not trolling. As mentioned - just a linear cc curve to go through all the dynamic layers, with the Tuba sustains / leg patch. Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but what?
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Junkie XL Brass?
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Huh? What do you mean? I am not trolling. As mentioned - just a linear cc curve to go through all the dynamic layers, with the Tuba sustains / leg patch. Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but what?
Nils Neumann
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common, there is no legato on the JXL Tuba, and that JXL Trumpet example resembles in no way how it actually sounds.Huh? What do you mean? I am not trolling. As mentioned - just a linear cc curve to go through all the dynamic layers, with the Tuba sustains / legato patch. Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but what?
Oxytoxine
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I swear, this sound is what comes out here! It may well be that I have something set up completely wrong, but I would have no idea what and would be glad to know? I would be very happy if that is the case! I will now stop to spam this thread, I am clearly not advanced enough for this participation, but honestly I am not trolling and have no clue why it sounds as it does here.
Robin
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Wrong CC. JXL uses CC1 for dynamics.Huh? What do you mean? I am not trolling. As mentioned - just a linear cc curve to go through all the dynamic layers, with the Tuba sustains / leg patch. Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but what?
Oxytoxine
Senior Member
Thanks I know, but see the picture above: I changed dynamics to CC11 in the controller map
Robin
Senior Member
Right. Maybe a bug. Did you try with the default settings?
AlainTH
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the trumpet xl sounds poorly compared to CHJust a very short comparison regarding the dynamic range. Nothing musical, just the same midi snippets, mapped dynamics in both JXL and CH Brass to CC11 and draw a straight line to go through all of the dynamic layers. Close mic on JXL (I know this does not do it justice, but to compare it to the bone dry CH Brass it seems the most suited to me). No verb on both. Trumpet shorts on CH, marcato short in JXL, in a crude attempt to land the length of the notes in the same ballpark for the sake of the comparison.Tubas longs.
Sound and timbre are a matter of opinion. I like the JXL tuba, but man this trumpet is not my cup of tea.
Nils Neumann
Senior Member
Because it is programmed poorly
what did you use for the trumpet, the staccatos?I swear, this sound is what comes out here! It may well be that I have something set up completely wrong, but I would have no idea what and would be glad to know? I would be very happy if that is the case! I will now stop to spam this thread, I am clearly not advanced enough for this participation, but honestly I am not trolling and have no clue why it sounds as it does here.
ProfoundSilence
Senior Member
I literally posted a legato example of the trumpet in this thread.
I I am desperately trying to believe that somebody that works with Chris Hein instruments, that have a ton of Sliders that are assigned to multiple parameters manages to have zero competency when it comes to using a very standard configuration for virtual instruments
so not only did you make I completely uninformed purchase, didn't bother checking the mic settings, and magically forgot how to use a virtual instrument that works like 99% of the virtual instruments on the market, but you made sure to what I can only imagine is spend more time complaining about your initial impressions then you could have possibly spent with the software
Nothing about this adds up
I I am desperately trying to believe that somebody that works with Chris Hein instruments, that have a ton of Sliders that are assigned to multiple parameters manages to have zero competency when it comes to using a very standard configuration for virtual instruments
so not only did you make I completely uninformed purchase, didn't bother checking the mic settings, and magically forgot how to use a virtual instrument that works like 99% of the virtual instruments on the market, but you made sure to what I can only imagine is spend more time complaining about your initial impressions then you could have possibly spent with the software
Nothing about this adds up
ProfoundSilence
Senior Member
There is no way those are staccatos oh, I'm not at the computer but those are probably Marcato Long's with the mod wheel all the way up and round Robins disabled or something
Oxytoxine
Senior Member
No, the marcato shorts (the staccatos were too short for the comparison, and, if I remember correctly, are controlled by velocity – not at home currently to check). I did not really think about all of this, I just wanted to compare the two.
I am well aware that this does not make sense musically and that this line could have been played by a 3 years old, the sole intent was to compare the shifting through the dynamic layers, not to program a musical line.
Oxytoxine
Senior Member
I kind of get your point, but why do you have to express it in such an unfriendly, righteous and condescending manner? When your little child, trying to get on a bike for the first time, falls on his nose, do you also stand there laughing and ridiculing it? Instead of maybe helping him in a friendly manner? Really, this attitude is the reason why I usually stay away from forums.
Look, I have a demanding day job, do sports semi-professionally, and besides try to fit in some time for my beloved hobby. Although I make music for my whole life, I started with daws and virtual instruments about a year ago. Every night I have maybe an hour or so to fiddle with all this stuff. In the last months I spent a huge amount of money on what was recommended to me as the best sample libs, because I would like to get more serious, now trying to wrap my head around all of this. So please forgive that I am an ignorant loser with zero competency and dare to ask a question / make a comment in a thread about a sample lib.
I mean, you could have simply said "check your mod wheel" or so
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ProfoundSilence
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AlainTH
Member
Oxytoxine your comparison of dynamics range is interesting. Some here are very "unfriend", indeed... i don't see why...
ProfoundSilence thank you, this exemple is interesting also. this time the dynamics seems not so different for the trumpet (and the sound is different)...for the horns you programm, jxl is less well sounding IMO but dynamic has more amplitude.
Each library is so different, the point is to know them and buy/utilize with this knowing, so thank you.
ProfoundSilence thank you, this exemple is interesting also. this time the dynamics seems not so different for the trumpet (and the sound is different)...for the horns you programm, jxl is less well sounding IMO but dynamic has more amplitude.
Each library is so different, the point is to know them and buy/utilize with this knowing, so thank you.
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ProfoundSilence
Senior Member
Plenty of us do(including myself)
You could have simply checked your mod wheel before you bothered posting about the library. CH brass isn't a beginners library, and someone reading your original review doesn't know that you hadn't tried moving cc1. Your audio example was the most misleading noise you could make with the library that i can even think of, and understanding the software you purchased for ~600$ takes minutes at most. Less time than you spent making the example and posting it - that's why it's extremely concerning.I mean, you could have simply said "check your mod wheel" or so
if you had made a post saying "I can't seem to figure out how to change the dynamics" or something, we'd be more helpful. instead it's like you bought a car and left a bad review because you couldn't see anything at night because you'd turned the headlights off.
Because his comparison was asking two people to race, but shooting one of the competitors in the foot before the start of the race - and then complaining that he put his money on that person and they are much slower at running than they expected.
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Loïc D
Monkeying with libraries
Indeed there is no way in getting hostile to each other.
But, Oxytoxine’s programming on JXL makes that library ridiculous and thus the comparison is pointless.
It is already hard to compare the sounds of libraries in the hands of experts, but in the hands of beginners, it’s largely irrelevant.
Whatever the library you pick, it takes time to get the best out of it, and attempts at comparing stuff shall require a huge amount of experience with both products.
My 2c, I take articulation names with handful of salt. I choose art depending on the rendering / sound I’m looking for. I may end up using programmed sustains for tenuto or marcato just because it sounds better in the context I’m writing for.
zolhof
Senior Member
If you load the Close 1 or 2 microphones for the trumpet solo, as he did, and play his example, as he did, that's what you will get. I just tested it -- not pretty hehe
But to be fair, this is true for all close microphones in all libraries. I remember when Sample Modeling came out and folks didn't understand that you need a convo reverb to make it shine. Here's an ancient video of The Trumpet, before and after Altiverb:
In the case of JXLB, you are paying for the Teldex sound as well, @Oxytoxine . The close signal is useful for adding focus, I wouldn't even consider using anything other than the room mikes for exposed lines.
Happy Holidays!!
Oxytoxine
Senior Member
Thank you very much for taking the time to do this - now that's a proper comparison. I will check again when at home tonight.
ProfoundSilence
Senior Member
I've become a sample miser, and admittedly I've been short on patience. The phrasing in his original post(intended or not) made me really get the mental image of someone buying something expensive putting in 0 effort and immediately complaining. When he posted the example using CH brass and then REALLY bad examples of JXL brass - I got suspicious that it's intentional. Sounds like maybe he is just radically new to VI, and randomly spent a bunch of time on CH but wasnt willing to spend the same on JXL? I don't know... but he is relatively new to the forum, magically knows how to operate the BBCSO sample player - likes the library, and has the opposite experience with JXL/sine.
I'm not interested in call out culture, but I would be lying if I didn't atleast point out that I'm not fully convinced his experience is simply user error. Time will tell, sometimes people like GIMP but hate photoshop. I just think it seems really odd - maybe PT's statement about the possibility of turfing/ect got my paranoid.
Oxytoxine
Senior Member
If you load the Close 1 or 2 microphones for the trumpet solo, as he did, and play his example, as he did, that's what you will get. I just tested it -- not pretty hehe
But to be fair, this is true for all close microphones in all libraries. I remember when Sample Modeling came out and folks didn't understand that you need a convo reverb to make it shine. Here's an ancient video of The Trumpet, before and after Altiverb:
In the case of JXLB, you are paying for the Teldex sound as well, @Oxytoxine . The close signal is useful for adding focus, I wouldn't even consider using anything other than the room mikes for exposed lines.
Happy Holidays!!
Thank you very much for replicating this. I started to doubt my senses. Thanks also for the reminder about the use close mics and Teldex sound (I really just did it this way for the sake of the comparison). Happy holidays to you too.
