VSL Mystery release??? (UPDATE: Synchron Duality Strings)
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ptram
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While asking myself the same thing (I downloaded the demo of the Regular version, but hadn't time to do more than a few quick tests), I can say that in general the additional microphone do add something. How much, depends on the library.
Brass and Percussion get a lot of space with them. Synchron Strings I and Pro get additional lushness and sense of immersion. More air. And much more flexibility in shaping your sound. But if you are not after mixing, the Standard presets are already excellent.
With Synchron Strings Pro you also get a second-row microphone, that I find adds much body and dimension. In a sense, this has been replaced by Room B in Duality Strings.
With Duality Strings, you get the far ribbon pair in Room A, and the Bright pair in Room B. You should get more "warmth" in Room A, more "spike" in Room B.
I don't know if SUDS will be my main strings, but I think SSP will remain where it is, with the addition of glissandi and runs from SUDS. In my case, maybe the Standard version is enough.
Paolo
Denkii
Senior Member
It was joke back when the first one got released.
You're correct.
EwigWanderer
Senior Member
Shawshank Redemption suds during a break from work.
dunamisstudio
Senior Member
Yep I saw that and almost posted about it. But since they have to get my license manually. Figured they would come back and say that I'll standard not full.
jamwerks
Senior Member
Still no talk about the new Muted Strings? 
DaddyO
Hobbyist
Has anyone tried to see if the BestServicce coupon code from yesterday still works? I don't remember what it was and can't try myself. I don't expect it will work, but if it does I can still wrestle with whether or not to add one of the two Duality libraries. I shouldn't, but as always, I'm tempted.
dhowarthmusic
Member
I just tried it and it’s stopped working now!
ptram
Senior Member
Bold has a different name - Normal. There are Normal and Agile Legato.
Maybe it's too late to ask, but maybe the disconnected legato in the example was due to using the Normal variant.
Paolo
ptram
Senior Member
After playing with them for some time, I've collected a few initial impressions.
- As usual, the High and Surround microphones add a lot of air to the sound. But the Room Mix is already very good. Unless one wants to play with the mixer, the Standard room mics are already a great setup. I'll keep the Full version, because I like to have maximum flexibility.
- The Ribbon mics do their warming job with elegance.
- I can't fully understand the B-Bright mics. Their contribute seems minimal. They are there, but more similar to a spice, than to an essential ingredient. The biggest contributor of the B-Room is the Dark set. And it does a wonderful job of making the sound warmer, fuller and more present at the same time.
- The Solo mics are a joy. The section leaders emerge as clearly separated elements, despite not being soloists. They add a lot of color to their section.
- Add the B-Dark section to the Solo mic, and you get a fruity chamber section with a separate leader. Add the B-Bright section, and you add some brilliance to the ensemble. Yes, I think that they can work as a separate chamber ensemble. But I'll have to test them more.
- The compressors contribute greatly to the overall "produced" sound. Remove them, and you get a natural sound. Everything seems to be, however, closer to the mics than in SSP. There is, I feel, less of the hall in the Standard mics.
An incredible library.
Paolo
- As usual, the High and Surround microphones add a lot of air to the sound. But the Room Mix is already very good. Unless one wants to play with the mixer, the Standard room mics are already a great setup. I'll keep the Full version, because I like to have maximum flexibility.
- The Ribbon mics do their warming job with elegance.
- I can't fully understand the B-Bright mics. Their contribute seems minimal. They are there, but more similar to a spice, than to an essential ingredient. The biggest contributor of the B-Room is the Dark set. And it does a wonderful job of making the sound warmer, fuller and more present at the same time.
- The Solo mics are a joy. The section leaders emerge as clearly separated elements, despite not being soloists. They add a lot of color to their section.
- Add the B-Dark section to the Solo mic, and you get a fruity chamber section with a separate leader. Add the B-Bright section, and you add some brilliance to the ensemble. Yes, I think that they can work as a separate chamber ensemble. But I'll have to test them more.
- The compressors contribute greatly to the overall "produced" sound. Remove them, and you get a natural sound. Everything seems to be, however, closer to the mics than in SSP. There is, I feel, less of the hall in the Standard mics.
An incredible library.
Paolo
Petrucci
Senior Member
Yeah, SDS tree mics seem drier than SSP on shorts while on legatos they are of mostly the same wetness (but the sound is different, SSP being darker even with brightening EQs in Synchron mixer).
Pixelpoet1985
Senior Member
It‘s not only the compressors, the entire mix is different. In previous libraries they narrowed the stereo images of the close and mids and balance panned the decca LR and room mixes, especially on the strings. I wonder why? This is no critique, I prefer this new approach. The old panning was too wide and you lost some center, in my opinion.
If you apply the new settings to the old libraries, they sound better to me. Hope they will update all libraries, because in the Smart Orchestra they did the same.
If you apply the new settings to the old libraries, they sound better to me. Hope they will update all libraries, because in the Smart Orchestra they did the same.
andrewfreib
Senior Member
It has its own thread!Still no talk about the new Muted Strings?
Paul@Sydney
Re-Member
Would you be able to share presets for ssp or elite strings with the new mix applied? I'd love to try it out.
andrewfreib
Senior Member
I heard this demo in your SLR review (which was great btw) and convinced me to get SDS. Gotta say, it sounds way better here, which speaks to just how much YouTube compression messes with sound quality. I knew it was a real phenomenon, but damn…
Pixelpoet1985
Senior Member
You can easily do it yourself, just reverse the panning. Have a look at the attached screenshots.
The "new" settings shown on the left side are used in SDS and the Smart Orchestra. At least in the "classic" presets. The "wide" ones still use additional panning. I always reverse it. If this is the correct handling, I don't know, but I prefer the new sound. Maybe it's just another kind of mixing, maybe some engineers do it this way, others do it that way...
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Paul@Sydney
Re-Member
I don't hear any difference in the two panning methods? Comparison below back to back (first is new style, then old style)
View attachment untitled.2023-10-08 22_19_34 SSP V1 Panning Comparison.mp3
So there must be more than just the panning settings - compressors etc have been mentioned?
