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Samplicity announces Berlin Studio plugin

Montisquirrel said:
Is this a great tool for placing instruments into a room like Virtual Sound Stage 2 ?

There was a question about how Berlin Studio compares to Virtual Sound Stage 2 (VSS2) in this thread, but there was no satisfiying answer, so I try to ask this question again:

I don't care so much about the "Teldex Sound", but I care a lot about tools who help me focusing on composing and less about mixing. Since many years, I use VSS2 and I like it. It helped me a lot. As far as I understand VSS, I need to add a Reverb tail (however, thats how I did al the time, like VSS2 as an insert and Valhalla Room as a send to add a tail). As far as I understand Berlin Studio, it places instruments in a Room and has all the reverb options I need. Long story short: Is Berlin Studio like VSS2 on steriods?

Another question:
My music is a mix of orchestral Instrumenst and electronic music, and in VSS2 I can easily place as many instrtuments where ever I want. For example, Violins 1 to the left and next to it a synth pad and next to it a synth plug. In Berlin Studio it seams there is a fixed number of spots. So If I place Violin 1 into the Violin 1 Slot and another insert of Berlin Studio on, lets say, a synth pad, can I put this also in the violin 1 slot? Are there any troubles? Hope you understand my question.
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Peter explained the technical differences already. I don't want to spend too much time on mixing either, so I try to explain it from mys perspective. I used VSS2 for dry instruments here and there. Its not bad at all, it helps with positioning. But Berlin Studio plays in a totally different league. It´s positioning plus room and its sounds way more natural. And it means even less mixing hustle, because it instantly sounds great.
The downside is, that I could easily use dozens of VSS2 instances without significant CPU usage. That's not the case with Berlin Studio in the same way. I think you would need a very powerful system to have individual inserts for every orchestral section or even instrument. But as far as I understand, Peter tries to improve this too. So VSS is more a cheap little and helpful one room apartment, while BS is a luxury villa with pool and four bathrooms ;)
 
Heinigoldstein said:
Peter explained the technical differences already. I don't want to spend too much time on mixing either, so I try to explain it from mys perspective. I used VSS2 for dry instruments here and there. Its not bad at all, it helps with positioning. But Berlin Studio plays in a totally different league. It´s positioning plus room and its sounds way more natural. And it means even less mixing hustle, because it instantly sounds great.
The downside is, that I could easily use dozens of VSS2 instances without significant CPU usage. That's not the case with Berlin Studio in the same way. I think you would need a very powerful system to have individual inserts for every orchestral section or even instrument. But as far as I understand, Peter tries to improve this too. So VSS is more a cheap little and helpful one room apartment, while BS is a luxury villa with pool and four bathrooms ;)
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Thank you for your answer.
I think I wait for the demo version and try before buy.
 
@Peter Emanuel Roos I never received an email about the new update (perhaps it is coming), but I downloaded 1.0.8 from the website. At first, I had the usual pulsing crackle when I played a note, but then I noticed that I wasn't getting the same CPU spike as before, despite the crackle. And then, the crackle went away. I haven't done extensive testing, and I am not saying that it is fixed, but it is defintiely way better in Logic.
 
Jett Hitt said:
@Peter Emanuel Roos I never received an email about the new update (perhaps it is coming), but I downloaded 1.0.8 from the website. At first, I had the usual pulsing crackle when I played a note, but then I noticed that I wasn't getting the same CPU spike as before, despite the crackle. And then, the crackle went away. I haven't done extensive testing, and I am not saying that it is fixed, but it is defintiely way better in Logic.
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Logic remains a weird puzzle to me, not a byte has been changed within the calculation parts.

I only created some "smart gates" that keep an eye on significant input and output and bypass the processing if possible.

In individual sections as well, so when a reverb channel is set to zero and no longer has output to return, it is "shut down". Previously it kept on processing (each reverb channel = 1/3 of the plugin's CPU usage).
 
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I don’t say this too often about sample libraries or plugins, but for anyone on the fence, just buy this thing!

I’ve been creating a review for this plugin and am absolutely blown away by it. The reflections are unreal, and it’s crazy how much it resembles the space in the OT libraries, which makes it a must buy if you are wanting to blend your OT libraries with other ones. Or if you just want that Teldex sound, then Berlin Studio will get you there!
 
Mike Fox said:
I don’t say this too often about sample libraries or plugins, but for anyone on the fence, just buy this thing!

I’ve been creating a review for this plugin and am absolutely blown away by it. The reflections are unreal, and it’s crazy how much it resembles the space in the OT libraries, which makes it a must buy if you are wanting to blend your OT libraries with other ones. Or if you just want that Teldex sound, then Berlin Studio will get you there!
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Thanks so much Mike!
 
Jett Hitt said:
@Peter Emanuel Roos I never received an email about the new update (perhaps it is coming), but I downloaded 1.0.8 from the website. At first, I had the usual pulsing crackle when I played a note, but then I noticed that I wasn't getting the same CPU spike as before, despite the crackle. And then, the crackle went away. I haven't done extensive testing, and I am not saying that it is fixed, but it is defintiely way better in Logic.
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I experience the same. It crackles in the beginning, but it becomes less after a little while. But the crackles come back randomly, it‘s weird and I‘m afraid it‘s not fixed yet. Peter is very helpful though and I cross fingers, that he get this fixed for us Logic users, because I totally agree to Mike Fox otherwise !
 
Montisquirrel said:
If I buy it now and keep the files, will I be able to use it in the future without any iLok? (and no updates of course)
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Interesting idea, but no.

From the start the site has mentioned "iLok required". The current licences will be migrated to iLok and the registration system that is used now will be abolished after one or two years.
 
Heinigoldstein said:
I experience the same. It crackles in the beginning, but it becomes less after a little while. But the crackles come back randomly, it‘s weird and I‘m afraid it‘s not fixed yet. Peter is very helpful though and I cross fingers, that he get this fixed for us Logic users, because I totally agree to Mike Fox otherwise !
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I have written a long reply, that I am actually not (yet) posting.
These noises come from Logic, in combination with Berlin Studio.
If someone can run three Seventh Heaven instances instead of one Berlin Studio in an otherwise similar project and show me that they run much better, I would be very happy to see some details!
 
Just set up a new Mac, installed Berlin studio and finding the cpu meter goes crazy when I have Berlin loaded. This is in logic. Gonna play around with it some more today
 
NeonMediaKJT said:
Just set up a new Mac, installed Berlin studio and finding the cpu meter goes crazy when I have Berlin loaded. This is in logic. Gonna play around with it some more today
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Before suspecting Berlin Studio, please check with an alternative DAW. Not all DAWs are created equal.

Reaper can be installed as a trial, I would be very interested to learn how Berlin Studio runs in Reaper on your hardware and software setup.

On my M1 Mac, the plugin uses a few percent CPU in Reaper and up to 30% in Logic, which is running on Efficiency instead of Performance cores :confused:
 
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I’m having an issue where when I insert Berlin in an empty project in Cubase 12, it works fine, but when I insert it on a track in my orchestral template, Cubase freezes every time whereas the rest of the time, the template works perfectly without freezing. Anybody else having this problem? I can see that when this happens the MIDI OUT meter in Cubase is stuck at max level. Don’t know if it has something to do with it or if it’s just a result of the crash.
 
Peter Emanuel Roos said:
Before suspecting Berlin Studio, please check with an alternative DAW. Not all DAWs are created equal.

Reaper can be installed as a trial, I would be very interested to learn how Berlin Studio runs in Reaper on your hardware and software setup.

On my M1 Mac, the plugin uses a few percent CPU in Reaper and up to 30% in Logic, which is running on Efficiency instead of Performance cores :confused:
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I’ll try it in cubase today. I’m not having much luck with logic at all really. Cpu metre going crazy with minimal plugins.
When I had it working on cubase in windows it was pretty much flawless.

Would I be able to dm you about these things?
 
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