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Samplicity announces Berlin Studio plugin

Peter Emanuel Roos said:
Question for the very few people who report "heavy CPU use" on Macs:

Is there a chance that your DAW is running in Rosetta 2 mode?

I just noticed that a new Cubase license installed here, on a Silicon Mac, started in Rosetta mode. Seems to be an Apple issue. Can be easily corrected, but it may/will as a side-effect move Berlin Studio to the Blocked plugins list.

And as provided in Universal Binary format, it makes no sense to run Berlin Studiok with optimized / vectorized Intel code in Rosetta's emulation mode (I guess this will get it blocked) - so, not supported.

Curious if someone is using it in Rosetta mode.
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Just found out the reason why Berlin Studio no longer ran in Rosetta mode after the first release. I had enabled the Intel AVX processor instructions... which are not supported in Rosetta.

Next update will have it disabled again, with a small performance penalty for people with "real Intel" macs. Apple is a :elephant:
 
Jett Hitt said:
No. I can't even run the plugin in Rosetta (1.0.2). The original version ONLY ran in Rosetta, and I would have called it light on the CPU.
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Fixed in coming update.
Apple Rosetta does not support Intel AVX instructions that were added in 1.0.2
 
Latest update

Some users reported high CPU loads, this is very likely also fixed now.
Awaiting a few tests and working on the installer to force a Logic plugins scan.

A much better update will be sent out in the coming week

Website, direct purchasing and emailing issues have also been fixed
 
Peter Emanuel Roos said:
Latest update

Some users reported high CPU loads, this is very likely also fixed now.
Awaiting a few tests and working on the installer to force a Logic plugins scan.

A much better update will be sent out in the coming week

Website, direct purchasing and emailing issues have also been fixed
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Go Peter, GO! Well done, my friend!

Can't wait for the new updated version!
Keep safe,
A.
 
Peter Emanuel Roos said:
Just found out the reason why Berlin Studio no longer ran in Rosetta mode after the first release. I had enabled the Intel AVX processor instructions... which are not supported in Rosetta.

Next update will have it disabled again, with a small performance penalty for people with "real Intel" macs. Apple is a :elephant:
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I am pretty sure there is a way to check if people are on Intel or AS and use AVX if you are on Intel as several plugins (like Massive) do use AVX.. ;-)
 
Simon Ravn said:
I am pretty sure there is a way to check if people are on Intel or AS and use AVX if you are on Intel as several plugins (like Massive) do use AVX.. ;)
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Not if you tell the compiler to generate AVX code when and where it can, for the executable code.

You can only do this if you check the CPU type at run-time and then use branching to select a part in your code that is optimized for specific operations on that processor.

Meaning that you only use such instructions in parts of your software and that you have multiple implementations for the same calculations.

This approach is used by libraries like Intel IPP and Apple vDSP, which I use. With this approach it is easy to say that you support even AVX512 - because they do that for you. But again, only for calculations that you run via them... If Massive supports AVX or a more advanced instruction set, it is done in this way.

But if you want all your code to take advantage of AVX, AVX2 or AVX512, it MUST be run on such a CPU or simply crash otherwise. This happens with Rosetta if your code contains AVX instructions.

I think there are obvious reasons why Apple does not (even) support this rather old Intel standard.
 
Ah ok thanks for explaining. But you could compile two different versions and install AVX/Intel on those machines…? Or is that stupid?
 
Simon Ravn said:
Ah ok thanks for explaining. But you could compile two different versions and install AVX/Intel on those machines…? Or is that stupid?
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I think that is pretty risky... because your would either need a really smart installer, or a wrapper plugin, with several implementations in them. In fact doing something like Rosetta, yourself.

Optimizing is also about finding "hot-spots", and most are typically covered by the libraries I mentioned. Optimizing your own parts is often a balance of increasingly more work, with less results.
Still, I have found significant differences between with and without AVX instructions; that's why I had switched it on - without enough Apple / Rosetta knowledge, doh...
 
My apologies if this is not appropriate on a commercial thread. Can someone chime in on what Berlin Studio does that differs from Altiverb (it also samples Berlin). Money is tight and I don't want to buy something that offers more or less what's in altiverb. I understand that there is stage/section placement inside Berlin Studio, but can someone comment who owns both whether it makes a big difference in realism?
And if there are any others reasons to get it if you already own the former. Thanks!
 
Dylanguitar said:
My apologies if this is not appropriate on a commercial thread. Can someone chime in on what Berlin Studio does that differs from Altiverb (it also samples Berlin). Money is tight and I don't want to buy something that offers more or less what's in altiverb. I understand that there is stage/section placement inside Berlin Studio, but can someone comment who owns both whether it makes a big difference in realism?
And if there are any others reasons to get it if you already own the former. Thanks!
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A very appropriate question, no problem at all, of course!

Regard,
Peter
 
Dylanguitar said:
My apologies if this is not appropriate on a commercial thread. Can someone chime in on what Berlin Studio does that differs from Altiverb (it also samples Berlin). Money is tight and I don't want to buy something that offers more or less what's in altiverb. I understand that there is stage/section placement inside Berlin Studio, but can someone comment who owns both whether it makes a big difference in realism?
And if there are any others reasons to get it if you already own the former. Thanks!
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I own both Berlin Studio and Altiverb, and I can say that now that I own Berlin Studio, I would most likely not need to use the Teldex IR within Altiverb again. But that doesn't mean that the Altiverb Teldex isn't great, it just means that Berlin Studio is many, many times more useful.

Berlin Studio is so good at what it does that it gets you there almost instantly. Sure, you can spend time adjusting the settings within Altiverb Teldex, but if you LOVE reverbs as much as I do then Berlin Studio is a game changer.

In terms of realism, they both are real and they both sound great, but Berlin Studios is like Altiverb Teldex on a hit of acid.

So, in the end, you don't need Berlin Studio, you just want it, and must have it.

🍸 🍸 🍸 🍸 🍸
 
Here's another test run with Berlin Studio (still version 1 inside of Metaplugin), in another constellation.

Woodwinds (VSL cube), Brass (MSB) and Strings (Nashville Scoring Strings) use Berlin Studio, while the percussion section – Cineperc, which I finally bought – has no additional reverb at all.

On the master, I've used Zynaptiq's Intensity and love how it enhances the details of the reverb.

 
Living Fossil said:
Here's another test run with Berlin Studio (still version 1 inside of Metaplugin), in another constellation.

Woodwinds (VSL cube), Brass (MSB) and Strings (Nashville Scoring Strings) use Berlin Studio, while the percussion section – Cineperc, which I finally bought – has no additional reverb at all.

On the master, I've used Zynaptiq's Intensity and love how it enhances the details of the reverb.

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Stunning! respect!
 
Noeticus said:
I own both Berlin Studio and Altiverb, and I can say that now that I own Berlin Studio, I would most likely not need to use the Teldex IR within Altiverb again. But that doesn't mean that the Altiverb Teldex isn't great, it just means that Berlin Studio is many, many times more useful.

Berlin Studio is so good at what it does that it gets you there almost instantly. Sure, you can spend time adjusting the settings within Altiverb Teldex, but if you LOVE reverbs as much as I do then Berlin Studio is a game changer.

In terms of realism, they both are real and they both sound great, but Berlin Studios is like Altiverb Teldex on a hit of acid.

So, in the end, you don't need Berlin Studio, you just want it, and must have it.

🍸 🍸 🍸 🍸 🍸
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I also have and use both. Cant agree more :2thumbs:
 
Peter Emanuel Roos said:
Hi all,

Samplicity (now a new company with an older owner) has been silently working on plugins in the last 1,5 year and is proud to announce it first product:

Berlin Studio

a reverb plugin with the acoustics of a large, famous German studio.

18 orchestral positions on the recording stage, captured with a Decca Tree, an AB-Pair and surround microphones.

Check out the new Samplicity website and the first demos.

Cheers,

Peter
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Hmmm, download links aren't working. Just bought this today. Hopefully, it will get sorted out because I'm looking forward to using this. :)
 
Peter Emanuel Roos said:
Already sent out as well by email, from my Deltaworks . nl account
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Thanks Peter! Received and downloading! So excited to try this out. I use so much OT that it will be nice to apply the same space to non-OT sample libraries


EDIT- WOW WOW WOW WOW! Colour me amazed. This reverb is INCREDIBLE!

Thanks again Peter for getting me all set so quickly!
 
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Noeticus said:
I own both Berlin Studio and Altiverb, and I can say that now that I own Berlin Studio, I would most likely not need to use the Teldex IR within Altiverb again. But that doesn't mean that the Altiverb Teldex isn't great, it just means that Berlin Studio is many, many times more useful.

Berlin Studio is so good at what it does that it gets you there almost instantly. Sure, you can spend time adjusting the settings within Altiverb Teldex, but if you LOVE reverbs as much as I do then Berlin Studio is a game changer.

In terms of realism, they both are real and they both sound great, but Berlin Studios is like Altiverb Teldex on a hit of acid.

So, in the end, you don't need Berlin Studio, you just want it, and must have it.

🍸 🍸 🍸 🍸 🍸
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You had me at "hit of acid."
Great response. Thank you.
 
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