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Nucleus legato?

Akarin said:
The legato. The sound is not bad at all. Maybe on the synth-y side of the spectrum.
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I think it'd be good if they highlighted the differences more in another demo - the content walkthru seemed to only use Modern (?). They did post a track awhile back that had just a little bit of Classic. Still drenched in their rather nice, albeit limited, on-board reverb.

 
Akarin said:
Hey all. One of my main gripes with Jaeger are the legato bumps. For example, here's an example of Jaeger legato on violins at mid dynamics (followed by the same example using another library):



Could anyone with Nucleus share an example of the naked violins legato? My finger is on the buy button but I don't want to get it if this hasn't been worked on as I believe the samples come from Jaeger.

Thanks!
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Hey guys, the examples we've heard so far are on the tighter side (in terms of the sample start settings), which are not intended to be used as final sounds in your mockups. Legato transitions sound MUCH better when choosing a larger sample start value.

Please make sure to check our Sample Start section in our manual (pg. 18), that will provide you with some additional insights about this.
 
vitocorleone123 said:
Keep in mind the Modern mix is definitely more "hybrid" with the eq and compression (presumed) pre-applied. The classic mix is more realistic... As far as my novice ears go.
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We tried to keep the Modern mix processing as subtle as possible to not interfere with realism. Both mixes are equally realistic, the Modern Mix is just a bit more cinematic. :)
 
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audioimperia said:
Hey guys, the examples we've heard so far are on the tighter side (in terms of the sample start settings), which are not intended to be used as final sounds in your mockups. Legato transitions sound MUCH better when choosing a larger sample start value.

Please make sure to check our Sample Start section in our manual (pg. 18), that will provide you with some additional insights about this.
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So I wrote that I use tight for recording and normal for playing. It happened without seeing the manual just by listening.
At first I thought I had something on my ear until I ... have discovered the Sample Start section. ;)
 
audioimperia said:
Hey guys, the examples we've heard so far are on the tighter side (in terms of the sample start settings), which are not intended to be used as final sounds in your mockups. Legato transitions sound MUCH better when choosing a larger sample start value.

Please make sure to check our Sample Start section in our manual (pg. 18), that will provide you with some additional insights about this.
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As far as Jaeger is concerned, I moved the sample start all the way up and then all the way down: the legato bump is still there and doesn't sound good.
 
Akarin said:
As far as Jaeger is concerned, I moved the sample start all the way up and then all the way down: the legato bump is still there and doesn't sound good.
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As Jonathan said, it sounds like vibrato is turned off in the first example. Since the legato samples were recorded with vibrato, this can affect the way they blend with the sustains, especially when playing lower dynamics. Setting vibrato to max should make things sound much smoother

We also did a lot of fine tuning to the legatos and they are indeed smoother in Nucleus. Something that’s coming to Jaeger in the next update. :)
 
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audioimperia said:
As Jonathan said, it sounds like vibrato is turned off in the first example. Since the legato samples were recorded with vibrato, this can affect the way they blend with the sustains, especially when playing lower dynamics. Setting vibrato to max should make things sound much smoother

We also did a lot of fine tuning to the legatos and they are indeed smoother in Nucleus. Something that’s coming to Jaeger in the next update. :)
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Next example in this thread is with vib at 100%.
 
Akarin- any chance you could post the same example as your first post- same line and same 'alternate' library but with Nucleus now instead of Jaeger. To be honest, all the AI string legato sounds bumpy here!
How good can you get it?
Thanks
 
pinki said:
Akarin- any chance you could post the same example as your first post- same line and same 'alternate' library but with Nucleus now instead of Jaeger. To be honest, all the AI string legato sounds bumpy here!
How good can you get it?
Thanks
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Will do!
 
So is the 250ms delay in Nucleus global? As in, applied to all the articulations and every section, including short notes? I'd love to be able to just set PDC once and sequence away without a care in the world
 
Ruffian Price said:
So is the 250ms delay in Nucleus global? As in, applied to all the articulations and every section, including short notes? I'd love to be able to just set PDC once and sequence away without a care in the world
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Yes 250 is global, however I think they all default to 125 - but my computer is all boxed up for the week and I don’t remember. You can save a template with the offset set to whatever you set. Otherwise they also offer “tight” presets for playing with 0 offset. The flexibility and sound is great, but there is a degree of fussiness about it with setting the offsets. Worth it, though.
 
Akarin said:
So, I got Nucleus in the end... and I love it. Great sound, quite a fan of the classic mix. The solo strings tone did it for me.
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Hi Akarin

I've seen that you own many many libs but still got Nucleus.

If you find the time, would you mind sharing some of your impressions? I ask because I too have many different libraries, but I would be so happy to have one coherent package, and the global delay in nucleus / jaeger seems to make it very tempting workflow-wise.

I am very temped by nucleus, but already having many "flagship libraries" it kind of seems a "step down" from these, so I am debating the purchase with myself.

Do you use Nucleus on it's own, or only some of the instrument to augment your template? A short impression of a user that can compare nucleus to the others out there would be very valuable (since most of the reviews compare it, very understandably, to the likes of The Orchestra, Inspire, etc.)

If you find the time: thank you very much!
 
Oxytoxine said:
Hi Akarin

I've seen that you own many many libs but still got Nucleus.

If you find the time, would you mind sharing some of your impressions? I ask because I too have many different libraries, but I would be so happy to have one coherent package, and the global delay in nucleus / jaeger seems to make it very tempting workflow-wise.

I am very temped by nucleus, but already having many "flagship libraries" it kind of seems a "step down" from these, so I am debating the purchase with myself.

Do you use Nucleus on it's own, or only some of the instrument to augment your template? A short impression of a user that can compare nucleus to the others out there would be very valuable (since most of the reviews compare it, very understandably, to the likes of The Orchestra, Inspire, etc.)

If you find the time: thank you very much!
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Hey. Yes, I have tons of libs. Mostly strings libraries, it's an addiction! I can't really comment on the usefulness of Nucleus as so far, it never made it into the final version of one of my cues. I have a great template that I know like the back of my hand and tend to always revert back to it, no matter what I try. It's not about Nucleus, it happens with more or less all the new libs that I try to integrate in it.

It doesn't mean that I don't like Nucleus! It's great and it's one of the only lib that I have on my travel rig. I use it all the time for sketching. I'm just not a fan of the strings legato (for the patches that have them). The bump is quite terrible on the violins, no matter what I try. Better than Jaeger but not that much. The low brass patch is quite massive and I like it a lot, even though I replace it with something like Albion Iceni or MA1 after the sketching phase.

Overall, I'd say that it is a much better tone to my ears than The Orchestra, for example. Still has ways to go to match something like Iconica but again, the price range is not the same. I've done a little unscientific comparison here:

 
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