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Samplicity announces Berlin Studio plugin

tabulius said:
Room sounds great! I would still use Kontakt's default impulses with the Infinite series, because for some reason the sections just sound better and without phasing issues. When playing solo that is of course a different story.

But here is an example with Vista violins (1st), CSS 2nd violins, doubled with Bohemian solo violins, and Sample modeling trumpet. I just played this quickly by ear, so please don't mind any wrong notes or badly played parts. All are run by their own Berlin Studio inserts with a few EQ tweaks and balance adjustments in the Berlin Studio plugin and in the master.

WET:
View attachment BS Test WET.mp3

DRY:
View attachment BS Test DRY.mp3
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Not a single wrong note in there. Sounds great ;)!
 
I reported it via email with the video... and more test

My M1 Macbook Air has distortion noise.(sounds like a bit crush)
- macOS 12.6.1 Monterey, M1, 16GB
- 44.1/48/88.2/96/176.4/192 kHz
- AU/VST3
- Ableton Live 11/UA LUNA (Failed to load plugin in Studio One 5.5 in M1)

but on Intel Macbook Pro 2015 (Monterey) were work fine.
- macOS 12.6 Monterey, i7 2.5GHz, 16GB
- 44.1/48/88.2/96 kHz
- AU/VST3
- Ableton Live 11, Studio One 5.5

and Sounds is good.

- 2022/11/19 add : v1.0.2 Update & Fixed!
 
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Peter Emanuel Roos said:
It does not show up, because VSL does not support the current VST3 format.

The old VST2 standard has been completely dropped for developers already in 2018. Which was announced many, many years before that.

I am not allowed by Steinberg to create VST2 versions (it would be very easy to do), since I did not get a licence contract before 2018.

VST3 is not new at all, I am really puzzled why VSL does not support it.
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Oh man, pretty confusing , I feel your pain :emoji_stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
 
I have reinstalled the plugin on my M1 Mac Studio Max 64GB, and the results are the same. Based on my experiences and what @joeunsoo reported above, I would guess that it is a no-go on the M1 Mac.
 
Saxer said:
Is is native M1?
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The plugin is a universal binary, both Intel and Silicon layers are specifially built for their target processor. And tested on many Intel and Silicon Macs.

I suspect this is related to the now known issue with the AU validator "rejecting" the plugin for a problem with the parameter exchange with the host (which I can replicate now).

At this moment I do not expect that the processing code has problems, in spite of the few reports of bad sounds, otherwise it would really have also been found with the VST3 version on a Mac. These plugin "layers" (AU and VST3) are very thin - the signal processing is identical internally.

I am doing my best to resolve this and I am already zooming in on the AUval issue and will also check for any signal clipping during these tests.

I hope that the people affected will have a few days patience - if not, you may claim a refund.

Cheers
 
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JeffvR said:
Interesting comparison! MIR sounds a bit further away (could be the settings) and a bit more "metallic" in a way. I think Berlin Studio used the studio in the narrow setting?
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No, I have used the microphones as set up for a recording session by Orchestral Tools for one of their libraries.

The next day there was a recording with/for Danny Elfman, maybe with the same placement of the mics. We were not allowed to change the mic pre-amp settings (we did, actually).

I believe that VSL have used their own microphones for sampling the room according to their MIR multi direction concepts.
 
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rudi said:
@JeffvR , I agree about MIR sounding more distant and having some sort of slight ring to it. I am pretty sure it's down to me not tweaking the settings - there are so many of them.

I've re-run the example, this time with the narrow MIR Teldex hall.


View attachment Test Trumpet - Berling Studio - MIR3D Pro Teldex Narrow.mp3
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VSL must be using some kind of interpolation with the impulse responses to be able to offer direction changes. I am curious about their maths for that and have opinions on the premise.
 
aileero said:
There doesn't appear to be any latency, and it worked right out of the box for me. Usually there's always something wrong with running plugins in FL Studio, but everything seems to work fine, though I haven't tried it on a larger project yet.
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The plugin has zero latency, 1 sample in returns 1 processed sample. Not a single sample of delay.
This may be confusing to some, but zero-latency is not related to buffer sizes.
 
tabulius said:
Room sounds great! I would still use Kontakt's default impulses with the Infinite series, because for some reason the sections just sound better and without phasing issues. When playing solo that is of course a different story.

But here is an example with Vista violins (1st), CSS 2nd violins, doubled with Bohemian solo violins, and Sample modeling trumpet. I just played this quickly by ear, so please don't mind any wrong notes or badly played parts. All are run by their own Berlin Studio inserts with a few EQ tweaks and balance adjustments in the Berlin Studio plugin and in the master.

WET:
View attachment BS Test WET.mp3

DRY:
View attachment BS Test DRY.mp3
Click to expand...
I am curious what you mean with "phasing issues". In Berlin Studio? That is mathematically not possible in convolution with steady input.

Are you aware that Kontakt does not do True Stereo processing? Is it either mono-to-stereo, or (worse) stereo-to-stereo, where off-center sounds have an off-center reverb. I bet mono-to-stereo.

I am really curious! :)
 
joeunsoo said:
I reported it via email with the video... and more test

My M1 Macbook Air has distortion noise.(sounds like a bit crush)
- macOS 12.6.1 Monterey, M1, 16GB
- 44.1/48/88.2/96/176.4/192 kHz
- AU/VST3
- Ableton Live 11/UA LUNA (Failed to load plugin in Studio One 5.5 in M1)

but on Intel Macbook Pro 2015 (Monterey) were work fine.
- macOS 12.6 Monterey, i7 2.5GHz, 16GB
- 44.1/48/88.2/96 kHz
- AU/VST3
- Ableton Live 11, Studio One 5.5

and Sounds is good.
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Thanks for the details and the email report
 
JeffvR said:
Isn't VSL using Ambisonics? Which is a different method right?
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MIR and Berlin Studio both use convolution to recreate the recorded/captured acoustics.
Ambisonics has no definitions or processing for delays and echoes. It is a "projection" system in mathematical "space" terms.

Maybe it works... interesting research topic for me!
 
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Ok, with using the plugin as VST3 inside of Metaplugin (Logic 10.6.3, Catalina) the whole thing is still pretty buggy.
With several instances loaded I have several freezes when trying to bounce offline.

I'm really looking forward to an AU version that works... ;-)
 
Great plugin, I am really enjoying it!!
Only one question: to be able to use it it seems I have to keep the PC connected to internet, otherwise it doesn't work. Am I doing anything wrong or is there a workaround?
 
Peter Emanuel Roos said:
I am curious what you mean with "phasing issues". In Berlin Studio? That is mathematically not possible in convolution with steady input.

Are you aware that Kontakt does not do True Stereo processing? Is it either mono-to-stereo, or (worse) stereo-to-stereo, where off-center sounds have an off-center reverb. I bet mono-to-stereo.

I am really curious! :)
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It is not a fault of reverb itself, but how the Infinite is programmed. 6 horns are 6 different solo horns. Infinite’s build in hall impulses don’t have phasing issues and I don’t know what kind of magic is going on there. But running the close mics thru a third party plugins, the sound just has some phasing problems.
 
Peter Emanuel Roos said:
The plugin is a universal binary, both Intel and Silicon layers are specifially built for their target processor. And tested on many Intel and Silicon Macs.

I suspect this is related to the now known issue with the AU validator "rejecting" the plugin for a problem with the parameter exchange with the host (which I can replicate now).

At this moment I do not expect that the processing code has problems, in spite of the few reports of bad sounds, otherwise it would really have also been found with the VST3 version on a Mac. These plugin "layers" (AU and VST3) are very thin - the signal processing is identical internally.

I am doing my best to resolve this and I am already zooming in on the AUval issue and will also check for any signal clipping during these tests.

I hope that the people affected will have a few days patience - if not, you may claim a refund.

Cheers
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I don't have much time this morning to play with it, but when I read @Saxer 's post, I thought, "Hey it is worth a shot." So I opened Logic in Rosetta mode, and so far as I can tell with my limited fiddling, the plugin works fine. Perhaps others can verify. (And hell, maybe this is expected behavior--I wouldn't know that.)

Beautiful sound, BTW!
 
Nicola74 said:
Great plugin, I am really enjoying it!!
Only one question: to be able to use it it seems I have to keep the PC connected to internet, otherwise it doesn't work. Am I doing anything wrong or is there a workaround?
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I just read your question and I am checking it with the vendor of this licensing service. My intention was to have semi-online use, so certainly not forcing you to be always connected.
 
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