Trash Panda
Clueless nitwit
Like a Kontakt/SINE sample library?How does it work with Studio One?
Like a Kontakt/SINE sample library?How does it work with Studio One?
Somethings to consider:I did crossgrade. It was free so why not
I’m undecided about which version to use, Kontakt or SINE.
I really appreciate the familiarity I have with Kontakt after years of use. But SINE has mic merge. Add to that the recent update of Berlin Strings which was SINE only.
Check your Env tab for spicattos - make sure the white circle on the left is fully up as far as it can go, adn the yellow lollipop on the left is as far left as it can go.Two quick questions, since I only have the first violins in SINE. Is the attack in the spiccatos weirdly cut in the Kontakt version as well (it's like a bit of the attack has been cut off)? And is it only in first violins or is it the same in all sections? I have started using the spiccato serial and the triples patches instead for spiccato.
/*
Copyright 2023 Babylonwaves // Version 1.0
*/
function HandleMIDI(event) {
event.send(); // send original MIDI data out again
if (event instanceof ControlChange) {
event.channel = 2; // dupicate CC to channel 2 and send it
event.send();
event.channel = 3; // dupicate CC to channel 3 and send it
event.send();
event.channel = 4; // dupicate CC to channel 4 and send it
event.send();
}
}
Thanks for the suggestion. I tried it but unfortunately I can't hear much difference.Check your Env tab for spicattos - make sure the white circle on the left is fully up as far as it can go, adn the yellow lollipop on the left is as far left as it can go.
V I spiccato sounds like this in the Kontakt version:Two quick questions, since I only have the first violins in SINE. Is the attack in the spiccatos weirdly cut in the Kontakt version as well (it's like a bit of the attack has been cut off)? And is it only in first violins or is it the same in all sections? I have started using the spiccato serial and the triplets patches instead for spiccato.
If you ever need a dedicated Con Sordino library, you’ll love the Berlin CS. One of my favourite strings libraries of all time.I am completely blown away!
Yo this is my memory from like 5 years ago but im pretty sure that particular patch isn't cycling through RRs unless you check or toggle an option. I cant recall exactly.V I spiccato sounds like this in the Kontakt version:
View attachment Berlin Strings Kontakt - Spiccato test - hbj1.mp3
Is it different in the SINE version?
Thank you, Simon, you are right! Random rr was off and that's default.Yo this is my memory from like 5 years ago but im pretty sure that particular patch isn't cycling through RRs unless you check or toggle an option. I cant recall exactly.
Something like new note resets RR or something. Basically playing more than 1 note keeps resetting the RR to 1
Yes, it sounds beautiful!If you ever need a dedicated Con Sordino library, you’ll love the Berlin CS. One of my favourite strings libraries of all time.
I'm able to recreate your example more or less, as long as I make sure not to trigger any mf samples. Sounds like you're using the mp layer which sounds great in the SINE version. The weird "clicky" attacks occur mostly in mf and in the higher ranges, and just on a few notes.Thank you, Simon, you are right! Random rr was off and that's default.
Here it is again with random rr switched on:
View attachment Berlin Strings Kontakt - Spiccato test - hbj1-01.mp3
The problem with these sorts of solutions, which is what I use when I have to do it, is that Logic insists on recording the automation with the midi channel of the selected articulation in the articulation set. Though Logic will show and allow you to write automation to “any channel” there seems to be no way to get it to default to writing it that way so long as you are assigning articulations to midi channels. So you inevitably end up with situations of, say, modwheel data on multiple channels and the conflicts that then arise when you try to convert them with this sort of script. It’s not unworkable but it still presents lots of frictions.The easiest way to deal with a Sine instance hosting multiple channels belonging to one big instrument in Logic is to copy the incoming CC to all relevant channels using a MIDI Script.
The script below does that. It takes ALL incoming CC duplicates to different MIDI channels. All you need to do is copy this into Scripter and hit "Run Script". Some mentioned that it's not ideal from an editing perspective, and I agree. But at least you can work more fluently:
Code:/* Copyright 2023 Babylonwaves // Version 1.0 */ function HandleMIDI(event) { event.send(); // send original MIDI data out again if (event instanceof ControlChange) { event.channel = 2; // dupicate CC to channel 2 and send it event.send(); event.channel = 3; // dupicate CC to channel 3 and send it event.send(); event.channel = 4; // dupicate CC to channel 4 and send it event.send(); } }
If you want, you can upload some MIDI. Then I'll upload a MP3 of how it sounds in KontaktI'm able to recreate your example more or less, as long as I make sure not to trigger any mf samples. Sounds like you're using the mp layer which sounds great in the SINE version. The weird "clicky" attacks occur mostly in mf and in the higher ranges, and just on a few notes.
Here's two I found just now . I've felt like there were more notes but maybe it's just these two that sticks out like a sore thumb.
They're in the mf layer.
Notes: C4 RR no. 6, and A4 RR no. 4 and 6 (no. 4 is better but it stands out compared to other notes).
View attachment berlin strings notes.mp3
It's not like I'm going through all my sample libraries like this like a crazy person, it's just that this thing stuck out to me (maybe I noodle too much in A minor?). I also feel like the mf layer sounds more like a forte layer, so I kind of wish it was higher up in the velocity range (don't know if the velocity distribution is the same for Kontakt).
Here's the A4 compared to surrounding notes for "context" (this is only using mf layer and RR 4 and 6 for all notes):
View attachment berlin strings notes2.mp3
This nitpicking is not meant as some kind of "omg this library sucks" (I think we all have scars from that thread). All libraries have small issues like this. I'm just wondering if it's there in the Kontakt version and/or SINE versions of the other sections.
Disabling mf layer and noodling a bit, they can sound really good:
View attachment berlin strings notes3.mp3
In the end, between these, the spiccato serial and the triplets (and the longer staccatos) there's a lot of articulations to choose from for any specific context.
cool. Also id use those for fast repeated passages. The spicc exposed is better for one shotsThank you, Simon, you are right! Random rr was off and that's default.
Here it is again with random rr switched on:
View attachment Berlin Strings Kontakt - Spiccato test - hbj1-01.mp3
Thanks for the offer.If you want, you can upload some MIDI. Then I'll upload a MP3 of how it sounds in Kontakt
Caved on this point today.After seeing the NI sale for Berlin Strings, I started revisiting all the YouTube reviews to see if these were still relavent compared with current options. With all the Native Access drama happening, I wasn't inclined to pull the trigger but a few of the vi-c members posted that OT was granting a free crossgrade to the SINE version so I pulled the trigger. I have to say, I love the sound of Teldex Scoring Stage with this library. I ended up buying their entire bundle, of which OT offered a discount for. No regrets. These share my top spot along with SA Chamber Strings Pro. It's good to see that people who bought these earlier still love the library.
If you go to www.orchestraltools.com and scroll all the way to the bottom there's a Contact menu item.Caved on this point today.
Currently downloading! How do we go about the crossgrade as when I've tried to use the Key I got from NI it's invalid. So do I just message OT with it?
All the OT stuff I got is on Sine already so this is a first for me.
OT support was pretty fast for me. As Henrik described, I waited for the NI invoice and attached it to the email to OT support requesting the free crossgrade. A fellow named Gerard form OT took care of everything and sent an email when it was in my account and ready to use.Caved on this point today.
Currently downloading! How do we go about the crossgrade as when I've tried to use the Key I got from NI it's invalid. So do I just message OT with it?
All the OT stuff I got is on Sine already so this is a first for me.