Berlin Studio - The Ultimate Reverb Test
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wunderflo
Senior Member
thanks for the test. Sounds really good and you nicely matched the tones. However, for the sake of a direct comparison, wouldn't it have made more sense to keep the flute positioned in the woodwinds section of the stage? This still confuses me a bit. Also, did you already experiment with the delay setting of the dry signal to "correct" the ERs recorded in the original close mic signal when increasing the distance between mic and source? I find this can make quite a difference, but it's difficult to find the sweet spot... otherwise you just create phasing issues (at least that's what it sounds like to me).
Noeticus
Motion Picture Producer
How do you feel this compares to the Teldex IRs within Altiverb?
https://www.audioease.com/IR/VenuePages/teldex.html
https://www.audioease.com/IR/VenuePages/teldex.html
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Leandro Gardini
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It makes sense to use the woodwind IR, and I suppose it's not hard to create another preset perfectly matching the surround by using it. But I drifted to the surround positioning because I was trying to match the surround mics. With all those mic options, you may get the same result with different settings.
Regarding the delay, I didn't touch it because I guess it's not working yet. The software is on version 1.0, and there are some bugs to fix. I could have dealt with the EQ too, but it's not working either.
I think Peter needed more beta testing before releasing it, but the way it is now already impresses me.
I wasn't expecting it to come so close to the real thing. He nailed it!!!
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Leandro Gardini
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Altiverb is amazing, and it would be great to compare them fairly.
ALittleNightMusic
Composer / Developer
Would be very cool to hear some comparisons against other reverbs here. Cinematic Rooms, Seventh Heaven, Spaces, Altiverb. As I think Beat Kaufmann was saying recently here, I'm not sure how much real difference in a mix all these new reverbs make.
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Leandro Gardini
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A good reverb is more than a beautiful ambiance. Most reverbs cannot provide depth without washing the instrument in a long tail.
The ones you mentioned are top-notch quality products, and if they serve you well, you don't need more. However, like most, I'm always improving my template, and matching libraries can be a painstaking process sometimes. If the tools you currently have don't render the desired result, you must find ways to solve the problem. One way is to explore further the features and combinations of available tools, and the other is to invest in a new tool that will make your life easier.
Loerpert
Senior Member
Did a comparison with Seventh Heaven.
I tried to mimic the Teldex sound as much as I could with SH. I posted a screenshot of the settings I used for each.
The instrument is Tingklik from Soniccouture.
I should also mention that Berlin Studio has much more options when it comes to instrument placement. The stage placement sounds very realistic and changing the mic positions can make a big difference as well.
I tried to mimic the Teldex sound as much as I could with SH. I posted a screenshot of the settings I used for each.
The instrument is Tingklik from Soniccouture.
I should also mention that Berlin Studio has much more options when it comes to instrument placement. The stage placement sounds very realistic and changing the mic positions can make a big difference as well.
dyvoid
Member
Sounds pretty good! Looks like your screenshots are broken though. I'd love to know what settings you used in Seventh Heaven to achieve this.Did a comparison with Seventh Heaven.
I tried to mimic the Teldex sound as much as I could with SH. I posted a screenshot of the settings I used for each.
The instrument is Tingklik from Soniccouture.
I should also mention that Berlin Studio has much more options when it comes to instrument placement. The stage placement sounds very realistic and changing the mic positions can make a big difference as well.
Loerpert
Senior Member
I'm not at my PC currently, but it's preset "Studio A" with a bit longer tail.
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Leandro Gardini
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They both sound good, but Berlin Studio has more depth.Did a comparison with Seventh Heaven.
I tried to mimic the Teldex sound as much as I could with SH. I posted a screenshot of the settings I used for each.
The instrument is Tingklik from Soniccouture.
I should also mention that Berlin Studio has much more options when it comes to instrument placement. The stage placement sounds very realistic and changing the mic positions can make a big difference as well.
Dylanguitar
Senior Member
Would also like to hear a comparison between the Teldex IR found in Altiverb and Berlin Studio.
I know Berlin Studio has placement on the stage, but Altiverb has the ability to shorten the tail if you want. I just wonder how much better it actually is before considering shelling out the $.
I know Berlin Studio has placement on the stage, but Altiverb has the ability to shorten the tail if you want. I just wonder how much better it actually is before considering shelling out the $.
tabulius
Senior Member
Berlin Studio can also shorten the tail.
Dylanguitar
Senior Member
I was going off of this post. Is this something that's been added since this statement, or am I just completely misunderstanding what's being said here?
shapeshifter00
Senior Member
Is it worth picking this up if I am mainly invested in SF libraries? I have a few OT a la carte samples and some drier like AI libraries that it can be useful for.
Obi-Wan Spaghetti
Senior Member
If the close mics of your SF library are dry enough you could put all your samples in BS i suppose. If that's what you want maybe somebody can post some example to see how BS handle SF samples?
edited: I'd be curious to hear BS with SCS close mic myself.
Peter Roos
Senior Member
Seventh Heaven use sampled presets from the Bricasti M7 hardware reverb. My other plugin, Gemini BM7 is similar.Did a comparison with Seventh Heaven.
I tried to mimic the Teldex sound as much as I could with SH. I posted a screenshot of the settings I used for each.
The instrument is Tingklik from Soniccouture.
I should also mention that Berlin Studio has much more options when it comes to instrument placement. The stage placement sounds very realistic and changing the mic positions can make a big difference as well.
Berlin Studio uses impulse responses from a real space - not a hardware reverb. Apples and oranges?
Of course ultimately what you prefer sonically is your best reverb, no matter how it is made.
Peter Roos
Senior Member
Berlin Studio allows you to change the tail length of the three microphone channels independently.
50 - 200%. So a short Decca tail and a long AB-Pair tail for instance.
Peter Roos
Senior Member
Panta rhei :-DI was going off of this post. Is this something that's been added since this statement, or am I just completely misunderstanding what's being said here?
For my other plugin, the BM7 I wanted to make a very smooth stretching/shrinking of a convolving IR.
I was so pleased with it, that I decided to drop it into Berlin Studio as well.
Now I like the amazing shrinking / growing Teldex hall :-D
(there was also demand for this feature)
