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AIR Studios Reverb Discussion Thread

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Until we have something from people who actually know what they are doing (i.e. not me), here are some examples using CSS with the spots and main mics, comparing Berlin Studio with AIR. Both reverbs are using the default settings, and used as sends at -3db pre-fader (track faders are set to -6db). In Berlin Studio, the source fader is muted. For AIR, I used the Solo "section" presets (e.g. one reverb per section), and tweaked the Solo Violin for Violins II a bit, in terms of position.

CSS spot mics:

Dry
View attachment sm_dry.mp3
Reverb A
View attachment sm_berlin_studio.mp3
Reverb B
View attachment sm_air_sections.mp3

CSS main mic:

Dry
View attachment main_dry.mp3
Reverb A
View attachment main_berlin_studio.mp3
Reverb B
View attachment main_air_sections.mp3

Do note that this is out-of-the-box sounds from each reverb. I have not tweaked them one bit other than what's mentioned above.

So which reverb do you prefer?

A = Berlin Studio
B = AIR Studios Reverb

Important note: The AIR presets have internal (patch) EQ applied, Berlin Studio does not.
 
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HotCoffee said:
Until we have something from people who actually know what they are doing, here are some examples using CSS with the spots and main mics, comparing Berlin Studio with AIR. Both reverbs are using the default settings, and used as sends at -3db pre-fader (track faders are set to -6db). In Berlin Studio, the source fader is muted. For AIR, I used the Solo "section" presets (e.g. one reverb per section), and tweaked the Solo Violin for Violins II a bit, in terms of position.

CSS spot mics:

Dry
View attachment sm_dry.mp3
Reverb A
View attachment sm_berlin_studio.mp3
Reverb B
View attachment sm_air_sections.mp3

CSS main mic:

Dry
View attachment main_dry.mp3
Reverb A
View attachment main_berlin_studio.mp3
Reverb B
View attachment main_air_sections.mp3

Do note that this is out-of-the-box sounds from each reverb. I have not tweaked them one bit other than what's mentioned above.

So which reverb do you prefer?
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A: Berlin Studio
B: AIR Studio

But in order to hear this test not as a send, but to hear the full staging and positioning effect, if you are going to send, it would be better to reduce the source volume with the pre fader and hear the room effect, if you are going to insert, it would be better to reduce the source volume directly and hear the room effect and positioning effect:)

In send sends, unless you use a pre-fader and reduce the fader, the dry signal remains as it is. And this type of room effect only acts as a tail
 
HotCoffee said:
Until we have something from people who actually know what they are doing, here are some examples using CSS with the spots and main mics, comparing Berlin Studio with AIR. Both reverbs are using the default settings, and used as sends at -3db pre-fader (track faders are set to -6db). In Berlin Studio, the source fader is muted. For AIR, I used the Solo "section" presets (e.g. one reverb per section), and tweaked the Solo Violin for Violins II a bit, in terms of position.

CSS spot mics:

Dry
View attachment sm_dry.mp3
Reverb A
View attachment sm_berlin_studio.mp3
Reverb B
View attachment sm_air_sections.mp3

CSS main mic:

Dry
View attachment main_dry.mp3
Reverb A
View attachment main_berlin_studio.mp3
Reverb B
View attachment main_air_sections.mp3

Do note that this is out-of-the-box sounds from each reverb. I have not tweaked them one bit other than what's mentioned above.

So which reverb do you prefer?
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Only been listening on my phone while taking a dump, but so far definitely prefer B.

Might change once I properly listen on my speakers though

EDIT: Ok, also vastly prefer B on my speakers.
 
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vanillemilch said:
Sadece çöplük yaparken telefonumu dinliyordum ama şu ana kadar kesinlikle B'yi tercih ediyorum.

Hoparlörlerimi düzgün bir şekilde dinlediğimde değişebilir
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I prefer B. A looks metallic and shiny to me. It is very likely to be Berlin Studio:) But B is more dramatic, more saturated. After a more detailed test, I will stop using Berlin Studio and buy this one.
 
axb312 said:
Overpriced
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I don’t necessarily disagree, for my purposes at least, but I suspect that the price is the only reason this exists. What I mean is that there would be no reason for Air to allow such a product to be made if they weren’t receiving a significant amount from every sale.

For the end user, it’s worth what they are willing to pay, and for a lot people this may be exactly what they were looking for, so I expect Spitfire will sell a lot of licenses, even at the price they’re asking. If they don’t, then we’ll probably see a lower sale price sooner rather than later. On the other hand, if this sells really well, we may see them do the same with other spaces. Maybe they could even convince Abbey Road to allow it, which I imagine there would be a lot of enthusiasm for.
 
HotCoffee said:
Until we have something from people who actually know what they are doing, here are some examples using CSS with the spots and main mics, comparing Berlin Studio with AIR. Both reverbs are using the default settings, and used as sends at -3db pre-fader (track faders are set to -6db). In Berlin Studio, the source fader is muted. For AIR, I used the Solo "section" presets (e.g. one reverb per section), and tweaked the Solo Violin for Violins II a bit, in terms of position.

CSS spot mics:

Dry
View attachment sm_dry.mp3
Reverb A
View attachment sm_berlin_studio.mp3
Reverb B
View attachment sm_air_sections.mp3

CSS main mic:

Dry
View attachment main_dry.mp3
Reverb A
View attachment main_berlin_studio.mp3
Reverb B
View attachment main_air_sections.mp3

Do note that this is out-of-the-box sounds from each reverb. I have not tweaked them one bit other than what's mentioned above.

So which reverb do you prefer?
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I actually prefer the depth of Reverb A, but I would reduce the wetness.
 
Berlin Studio gives the effect of a brighter and only room. It's a nice plugin for Teldex fans. But with dry instruments, especially epic percussion, I could never achieve a grander, bigger effect because the features are limited.

But in Air Studios there are much more detailed settings and I found that you can achieve this effect very easily. And the character is more dramatic, saturated and not as bright as Berlin Studio.

After seeing more detailed test videos I will buy Air Studio, I think there is no reason for me to use Berlin Studio
 
Jdiggity1 said:
If you want your template to be based around SSO and other spitfire/Air products, this is proving to be pretty powerful.
I've only done a couple quick tests, firstly to try out Bunker Samples' newly released "Sticks and Stones", as it seemed like the perfect contender for something like this.
Samples are the far mic only, reverb is pretty close to default settings but changed to Stereo instead of Mono on the input:

View attachment Steely stones.wav
(dry first, then with verb turned on)

I think examples like the above, where the source has an option of a "not too close" mic, without a ton of room characteristics, work very easily and very
Javelin is only 3 basses, while SSS is 8, but I think this demonstrates the potential to replicate a smaller number of players from within the same section.
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Gotta say my stones sound really good in there, and yes, my own experiments with other reverbs confirm that having the far mics is really important on a source like this - a bit of distance without too much room information in the sound is key, I think. Might have to get this….
 
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Paul Thomson said:
Apologies for cross posting on both threads but I lost track of where I was asked about insert vs send!

A quick mess around on the clarinet with some of the controls, and I'm also showing the three ways to use this: insert, then pre and post fader send.

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The sound is one thing, but the thing I really want is that goddamn room. Looks just how I hope my studio looks one day.
 
jadedsean said:
Come on, why is their no demo? I think most companies supply demos so people can at the very least see if it fits their work flow. I never liked how orchestral sampling companies like SFA refused to supply a watered down version of their libraries like PS, and now VSL offer the whole I believe. This is a reverb plugin not a string library. If their is no demo then I'm out, I've been burned to many times buying products without being able to demo them first.
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But you're aware of the fact that with a demo it would be easy to recapture the Impulse responses?
Set up the settings you need, load an IR utility tool and make "your own" set of IRs.
These would of course lack the flexibility of the whole experience but still...

I guess that's the reasoning behind the no demo policy (which I can perfectly understand...)
 
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