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SPITFIRE - Announcing Spitfire Studio Strings! 24 Hours LEFT on Promo Price!

In the face of credible critiques of SStS; the silence from Spitfire Audio is deafening.
I have been as close to being a SF Fanboy as one can get; with notable purchases over years.
Planned purchase of SStS, Solo Strings, SSO, EVOs, are now in limbo. Alternatives being reviewed carefully.
Not simply SStS, but several questionable Intros back to BT Phobos.
No clue how this has happened, but IT HAS !

Plenty of time before BlkFri scramble begins, but thousand of (my) usd at stake.
What was once locked in to SFA, is now up for grabs. :crying:
 
Geoff Grace said:
I wouldn't read too much into "the silence from Spitfire Audio." Maybe, after the endless HZS debates earlier this year, they simply decided it might be better to not engage. Who knows? The bottom line, as always, is whether or not a product suits your needs. That's entirely up to you.

Best,

Geoff
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Sure Geoff, and there are always ebbs an flows as one sorts new Intros and many User comments.
Whether the product suits, is far from my concern now; but the gap which exists since something which exemplifies SFA's proven talents.
I quickly take the posture of evaluating what is creative and productive, versus that which is missing or flawed; yet I have an increasing sense that new SF Libs are less of one, and more of the other.

Not quitting SFA so easily. Just increasingly concerned.

THX
 
sostenuto said:
Sure Geoff, and there are always ebbs an flows as one sorts new Intros and many User comments.
Whether the product suits, is far from my concern now; but the gap which exists since something which exemplifies SFA's proven talents.
I quickly take the posture of evaluating what is creative and productive, versus that which is missing or flawed; yet I have an increasing sense that new SF Libs are less of one, and more of the other.

Not quitting SFA so easily. Just increasingly concerned.

THX
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Fair enough. I'm not too concerned at this point, but that's me. We each have the right to our opinions.

Best,

Geoff
 
muziksculp said:
I would like to hear directly from Spitfire Audio why they didn't include Staccato in Studio Strings ? or if they would consider adding Staccato in an update ?
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They mentioned when SSS came out, something along the lines of sampled staccato isn't representative of how it's played in an orchestra as tempo & meter play a huge role so they omit it for other types of shorts.
 
Yeah. A true staccato stroke is more tied to its original tempo because it lingers on the string for more of a definite note value than spiccato. Detaché has the same problem when sampled. Samples in general are snapshots, but it can be really obvious in these cases unless you're writing in just the right tempo.

I'm sure there's some clever scripting similar to Time Machine that could be done to make them more widely usable, though.
 
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This thread is pretty funny, it reads back like most of you are arguing with the forum posts itself rather than the actual content Spitfire have uploaded to demonstrate the library.

In particular the short note argument.

Have all the people who can’t buy it purely because it doesn’t have a patch named staccato actually watched the time machine demo?

Chamber strings is 8 years of work and the amalgamation of multiple sable libraries. It costs £900 for the full library which includes all of the short articulations and performance legatos.

This thing has an entry point of £160.

Be realistic, the chances are Spitfire plan to add to the divisi sections, they plan to add articulations. As they have to most of their core libraries over time.


If you own Chamber and CSS and CSSS and Berlin Strings guess what, this probably isn’t for you.

This is for the huge number of people out there that maybe own komplete and maybe an Albion 1, or a metropolis ark and want something to do individual sections with less overbearing room.


Every string library released in the last 5 years has been marketed as ‘the ultimate string library’. Watch the videos, listen to the demos and make a decision.


I don’t see many people on here as unhappy customers. Just the usual disgruntled VI control moans of people who were never gonna buy a small room string library in the first place.
 
It would probably be a no win situation for them to engage with folks on a forum regarding the questions raised here. They have tens of thousands of customers the world over, why try to talk to the 20 moaners among them?

And not aiming anyone in particular, but the moaners are often not pro's, often not even buyers, they're just moaners!
 
Typical populist-age reductionism there. Criticism isn't moaning. Often it's made because buyers want the library they've just splashed their cash on to mature and reach it's true potential. Developers who listen and act on concerns earn themselves a lot of respect. Likewise those who, like Audiobro, really wring the most out of their samples.

Unfortunately, given that this is mostly a no-returns market some people are forced to reach conclusions via demos and walkthroughs. Of course criticism is going to be made from non-buyers based on what they're hearing and seeing. Until companies offer a way of trying libraries out before committing (and a few do) then developers have to accept this angle as well.
 
On a side note, is anyone volunteering to post a demo for timestretched spiccato simulating staccato? I am curious because it is basically a non-starter with other libraries (below is a comparison of SCS spiccato patch and SCS staccato timestretched longer). Is that possible? I think timestretching works best for creating a "spiccatissimo" or super short pizz.

[AUDIOPLUS=https://vi-control.net/community/attachments/spiccato-to-staccato-mp3.15200/][/AUDIOPLUS]

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Gerbil said:
Typical populist-age reductionism there. Criticism isn't moaning. Often it's made because buyers want the library they've just splashed their cash on to mature and reach it's true potential. Developers who listen and act on concerns earn themselves a lot of respect. Likewise those who, like Audiobro, really wring the most out of their samples.

Unfortunately, given that this is mostly a no-returns market some people are forced to reach conclusions via demos and walkthroughs. Of course criticism is going to be made from non-buyers based on what they're hearing and seeing. Until companies offer a way of trying libraries out before committing (and a few do) then developers have to accept this angle as well.
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I REALLY want to see more proper trials/demos rolled out.

Even just a few main articulations with a limited range etc, something like that.

These things are not inexpensive and there is just so much choice and so many releases these days, you just never know whether anything is going to be any good or not. You can't even trust the big names anymore as they are slipping up with dire releases now as well.
 
True.

Bit of a tangent: It's interesting to me that some of the developers/composers whose libraries I love and respect the most, guys like Alex Wallbank, Andrew Keresztes and Aaron Sapp, were around right back in the early days of Northern Sounds (yes....I have been lurking for a very long time!).
 
StatKsn said:
On a side note, is anyone volunteering to post a demo for timestretched spiccato simulating staccato? I am curious because it is basically a non-starter with other libraries (below is a comparison of SCS spiccato patch and SCS staccato timestretched longer). Is that possible? I think timestretching works best for creating a "spiccatissimo" or super short pizz.

[AUDIOPLUS=https://vi-control.net/community/attachments/spiccato-to-staccato-mp3.15200/][/AUDIOPLUS]

[AUDIOPLUS=https://vi-control.net/community/attachments/super-short-pizz-and-spiccato-to-spiccatissimo-mp3.15201/][/AUDIOPLUS]
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In the past I did this very often with other libraries, built new Kontakt instruments with the time stretched samples and it always worked fine. You have to be tricky when it comes to the right cutting (not timestretched the release part of the samples e.t.c.)
The last demo from Christian sounds fine!
 
jamwerks said:
It would probably be a no win situation for them to engage with folks on a forum regarding the questions raised here. They have tens of thousands of customers the world over, why try to talk to the 20 moaners among them?

And not aiming anyone in particular, but the moaners are often not pro's, often not even buyers, they're just moaners!
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No luv from me for moaners, but SFA surely monitors what is posted here.
My preference is that they respond to valid critiques, in terms of their errors, or misunderstanding, or correctness.
If there are none here, then so be it …. and SFA silence is golden.

This Forum is pyramidal; bell curve ….. like any large population, and the majority is less capable than the small upper tier.
BUT …. the majority benefits immensely from upper tier comments and critiques.
For SF to ignore this, misses a huge opportunity to maintain their valued position among top VI providers … imho.
 
Critisizing and "talking about" is of course what forums are all about and I myself have weighed in here with my own thoughts, unfortunately mostly negative this time. And SF has posted a few times here also, iirc.

I don't see them entering into real discussions though, but I might be wrong. Remember how that went with HZS, or between other devs and their customers? It rarely comes out well. The whole "one against many" in written form, between unidentifiable posters, doesn't seem conducive for adult communication!
 
jamwerks said:
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I don't see them entering into real discussions though, but I might be wrong. Remember how that went with HZS, or between other devs and their customers? It rarely comes out well. The whole "one against many" in written form, between unidentifiable posters, doesn't seem conducive for adult communication!
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Yeah; Pandora's Box for SFA I guess.
OTH, my low skill /experience level leaves me frustrated and uncomfortable, as prospective SStS CORE buyer.
I cannot easily separate specific criticisms and complaints from SStS Professional Users, with their higher-level expectations and requirements.
Other than the single Mic limitation with Core, perhaps the Pro issues are not as applicable, and its content quite reasonable at Intro $199.
I know, I know …… pay money and sort it myself ! :rolleyes:
 
ka00 said:
***** maybe $200 isn’t too much (compared to other string libraries) for you to just get core and use it to gain the skill/experience you are looking for, and then once that’s done, to decide if you want something else. *******
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This is sorting out as only realistic choice with SStS, as Core version surely offers much to work with for its cost.
The more technical criticisms have had their impact, and were pushing me to other cost-comparable SF promo offers, such as OA Chamber EVOs.
Can't really go far wrong in either case ….
 
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@sostenuto, I have a lot of compassion for your current struggle. We all started out inexperienced and grew from there. I can understand your desire to listen to more experienced voices than your own.

Nonetheless, if you're going to find your own voice as a composer, you've got to start trusting your own ears. If they fail you from time to time, then it'll be a great chance for you to learn from that experience. Music is very subjective and experts will disagree on what's good and bad. If you listen to the demos and ask does this resonate with me?, then the decision making process will get easier.

Best,

Geoff
 
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