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VSL Synchron Strings I Announced (Nov. Release)

AlexanderSchiborr said:
After everybody has said everything in one or another way, we should start play Bingo and Gamble. I bet the thread will get 100 Pages prior 1st of Februar. The Wager is at least one bottle of a traditional beer. Mine is 3 Köstritzer Black Beer. Who bets closer to the date when this thread cracks the 100 wins my 3 Köstritzer Beers, if not I will win his prize. (What ever that is)
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As I don’t drink beer I will contribute a bottle of wine: https://www.weingutcobenzl.at/de/shop/weisswein/11/Gruener-Veltliner-Senator-2015

This wine produced in Vienna won several awards and trophies (wein.pur, Austrians best white wines, …). It is very smooth in lower registers and absolutely brilliant in the upper ones (but therefore lacks some sharpness).

Normally Vienna Wines are quite dry, but the “Senator Line” is aged a little and therefore has a little more baked in sweetness.

It blends pretty well with various food (my personal favorites would be fish or pasta with mushrooms). Vienna’s Major most favorite blending however would be a unison blending with sparkling water - then called “Spritzer”.

Vienna wine has excellent references with various famous composers. Beethoven even got inspired to write his 6th Symphony in Viennese wine yards.

Just don't consume to much, otherweise you Vision might have an increase "blured" vision and your walking style would be like slurred legato lines

Ok – there might be now some Vienna haters complaining that Beethoven was deaf, so eventually he also lost his taste so Vienna wines could not be good at all :)
 
romantic said:
As I don’t drink beer I will contribute a bottle of wine: https://www.weingutcobenzl.at/de/shop/weisswein/11/Gruener-Veltliner-Senator-2015

This wine produced in Vienna won several awards and trophies (wein.pur, Austrians best white wines, …). It is very smooth in lower registers and absolutely brilliant in the upper ones (but therefore lacks some sharpness).

Normally Vienna Wines are quite dry, but the “Senator Line” is aged a little and therefore has a little more baked in sweetness.

It blends pretty well with various food (my personal favorites would be fish or pasta with mushrooms). Vienna’s Major most favorite blending however would be a unison blending with sparkling water - then called “Spritzer”.

Vienna wine has excellent references with various famous composers. Beethoven even got inspired to write his 6th Symphony in Viennese wine yards.

Just don't consume to much, otherweise you Vision might have an increase "blured" vision and your walking style would be like slurred legato lines

Ok – there might be now some Vienna haters complaining that Beethoven was deaf, so eventually he also lost his taste so Vienna wines could not be good at all :)
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Stift Klosterneuburg all the way!
 
Guy Bacos said:
2 more demos:

Unchained

Melody in F min
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Hi Guy,

Both demos sound wonderful !

The Legatos are flowing very smoothly in both demos, and I love the dynamics of the strings, and short articulations, plus a nice surprise to hear the tremolos as well. Very realistic, and detailed sound, and beautiful string timbre.

Just curious if you added any MIR, or Algorithmic Reverb to both these tracks in your mix ?

Thanks for sharing :thumbsup:

Cheers,
Muziksculp
 
muziksculp said:
Hi Guy,

Both demos sound wonderful !

The Legatos are flowing very smoothly in both demos, and I love the dynamics of the strings, and short articulations, plus a nice surprise to hear the tremolos as well. Very realistic, and detailed sound, and beautiful string timbre.

Just curious if you added any MIR, or Algorithmic Reverb to both these tracks in your mix ?

Thanks for sharing :thumbsup:

Cheers,
Muziksculp
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Hi Muziksculp,

Thanks! Just some MIRacle added on both.
 
Guy Bacos said:
2 more demos:

Unchained

Melody in F min
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The first part of "Unchained" is one of the most realistic mockup I heard. Starting from the first piano note. A really nice piece of music indeed. Then from 1:32, here we have the usual weak legato.
Also, some of the legatos i "Melody in F min" really doesn't work for me. For example at 0:15. and also 0:19. There's no natural connection between notes. There are also some weird bumps in the dynamic here and there (that's probably only my taste). But those strings lack in character for a track like that. There's any progression in the vibrato; and again, I really can't hear the advantage to have more dynamic layers. I would like to hear the difference but i really don't.
 
91 pages for this thread.

I have a new theory.

Vienna purposefully released their product uncompleted knowing that there will be more than enough to discuss in order for synchron to stay on top of the forum
 
ctsai89 said:
91 pages for this thread.

I have a new theory.

Vienna purposefully released their product uncompleted knowing that there will be more than enough to discuss in order for synchron to stay on top of the forum
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On top of the forum to do what? To confirm to people that VSL sounds outdated? :)
 
How I feel after missing a few days of posts in this thread and trying to catch up....

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That said, I'm rooting for ya VSL!
 
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You'd think if you don't like what you hear you would say it once and then just ignore the rest and move on to another thread, apparently not, and instead of being sarcastic, just don't buy it and respect the others who appreciate the great qualities of this library. Personally, I am very excited about the richness of the sound, the beautiful flautando, the flexibility of the staccato notes and so much more, and will have much fun composing with it.

Just had to say this. Nothing to see folks, keep moving.
 
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Hi,

I haven't heard much about the mic options, and how they sound in Synchron Strings, for both the Full , and Standard Libraries. The Full library offering more mic options.

i.e. @Guy Bacos : Are you using the Full version to produce the latest demos ?

Basically, I feel that not much has been discussed, and demonstrated, about the various mic options, mixing them, and how the strings differ sonically, when using the various mic options, I'm also hoping that the new Synchron Player will make mixing, and selecting various mic options nicer, and possibly faster in terms of workflow, and GUI experience.

Other Strings libraries from Spitfire, OT, 8dio, Cinematic Strings, ...etc. can sound quite different in terms of their character depending on how one mixes the various mic options, I'm guessing the same applies to VSL's Synchron Strings.

Here is the current chart showing the various Mics for the Full and the Standard versions of Synchron Strings :



Any feedback on this important detail would be interesting, and helpful.

Thanks,
Muziksculp
 
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@musiksculp - The Standard Library comes with a Room-Mix which is a stereo mix of all the mics including the surround as I understand. It not only sound excellent, but its also very low on resources compared with using all of the mics. I would recommend you try this first and see if it isn't everything that you need. More importantly, adding the right EQ and reverb make all the difference in the world IMO. Remember, these are raw sounds just as you would get recording in a world-class scoring stage and they need to be mixed properly. Shawn Murphy doesn't just recording the strings and throw them out there. They are processed with just the right spices, and that's why Shawn gets the big bucks. The recipe is simple though, and once you find one you like, its just a preset away.
 
synergy543 said:
@musiksculp - The Standard Library comes with a Room-Mix which is a stereo mix of all the mics including the surround as I understand. It not only sound excellent, but its also very low on resources compared with using all of the mics. I would recommend you try this first and see if it isn't everything that you need. More importantly, adding the right EQ and reverb make all the difference in the world IMO. Remember, these are raw sounds just as you would get recording in a world-class scoring stage and they need to be mixed properly. Shawn Murphy doesn't just recording the strings and throw them out there. They are processed with just the right spices, and that's why Shawn gets the big bucks. The recipe is simple though, and once you find one you like, its just a preset away.
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Hi synergy543,

Thanks for the feedback.

I have not installed Synchron Strings I, (I Pre-Purchased the Full version), I will not be installing it until the Synchron Player and the entire Full version Synchron Strings library is completed.

I know Shawn Murphy was the recording engineer that EW used for their Orchestral Libraries, did VSL use him as their engineer as well for Synchron Strings ? or are you just giving an example ?

The use of the multiple mics should offer a lot of flexibility in creating the sonic character that one is seeking, or for the specific project at hand. I'm guessing The Room Mix of the Standard Library is just one option, but there is a lot more to discover, and experiment with by using multiple mic options, and especially the mixing of the additional mics the Full version offers, not having used this library yet, I am interested in hearing more about the experience of users with the various mics, especially the Full version.

According to VSL the new Synchron Player, Quote from their website :

"Very soon, Synchron Strings I will be powered by the all-new Vienna Synchron Player, a dedicated sample player with a brand new engine built from the ground up. Its innovative new algorithms make it even more effortless to render strings with astounding realism.

Combining a number of microphone positions with a wealth of available velocity layers and note variations for each articulation requires a powerful sample engine. Our upcoming Synchron Player will deliver unprecedented streaming performance, able to trigger more than 300 voices per instrument simultaneously! The new engine will also come with an internal mixer with 5-band EQ, delay for runtime compensation, algorithmic reverb, phase switching and panorama controls."

From this, I'm guessing we can conclude that the Synchron Player will be more suitable for use with the multiple mic options, and will also be able to stream more voices than the current VI-Pro 2, plus it will offer some additional mixing tools.

Cheers,
Muziksculp
 
I was just using Shawn as an example. I think it was Dennis Sands that did the Conrad Popes Synchron recordings which you can download from his Soundcloud page for reference. Proper mixing makes all the difference in the world IMO.

If I had to guess, they made the Room-Mix from the preset with the full compliment of all the mics (including the matrix delays). Just a guess though. I have the Full version too, though I'll likely be using the Room-Mix most of the time. The differences in VSL mic positions is much more subtle than say Spitfire or OT. Together, they all sound far more beautiful than any single mic. However, so does the Room-Mix so thanks to VSL for providing this lovely time and resource saver! For me, this lets me focus on many more articulations as well as different instruments and I have 96G RAM. The time spent with different articulations has a bigger payoff as it allows for greater expression.

I don't know anything about the new Synchron Player, and if I did, and said anything, probably about five people would kill me.:shocked: . The VI-Pro 2 is already quite powerful if you set your SSD buffers properly in the Directory Manager. You can stream quite a lot and get very fast load times. Plus you can sync across multiple instances when you change settings. Etc. They already added quite a lot and I'm not even sure what the new player could add. I'm quite pleased with what it does now, so whatever else the add will be icing on the cake.:dancer:
 
Hi Synergy543,

Thanks for the additional helpful feedback.

Yes, the current VI-Pro 2 is quite capable, and very flexible, but I don't know if it can stream more than 300 voices per instrument, simultaneously, which is what the Synchron Player will be able to stream. I'm also guessing that one can obtain a richer, fuller sound when using multiple mic options, compared to just using the Room-Mic. But that will require more efficiency from the player.
 
I actually really love the sound of the strings, and the new demos reinforce that. The flaw in Unchained so far is how silent things get between notes, I'd like a little more room. Otherwise no other library sounds like this and it's a pleasing, roomy but still dry sound.
 
Casiquire said:
I actually really love the sound of the strings, and the new demos reinforce that. The flaw in Unchained so far is how silent things get between notes, I'd like a little more room. Otherwise no other library sounds like this and it's a pleasing, roomy but still dry sound.
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Hi Casiquire,

Are you saying you would like to hear more of the room, or ambient-tail of the notes when a note ends ? Just wanted to double check if I understood your statement above.

Isn't this what the various mic options should offer ? more ambiance, which will be audible between the notes ?

Thanks,
Muziksculp
 
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