When I saw this I was like Oh! Oh! let me go look at
Spitfire Hans Zimmer Strings
(60,20,60,24) or (20,20,20,24)
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It depends on how you mix and the math of mixing and stacking samples is not the math of adding players to a room.Maybe too simple question :
If you layer two separate studio size libraries (let's say Cinematic Strings 2 + CSS); can we get a bigger sound which will sound like a symphony sized library?
If yes, what kind of tricks do you do to make the sound fuller and bigger? such as mixing, reverb etc.
I think BBCSO has 16 first violins, not 6.My list is all Spitfire (some of which you may already have so apologies in advance). Grouped by recording location
AIR LYNDHURST HALL:
Appasionata (30 piece) medium-sized chamber section (8,6,6,6,4), legato library, individual sections
Chamber Strings (16 piece) small-sized chamber section (4,3,3,3,3), individual sections, (also an ensemble patch)
Albion One (68 piece) (18,16,14,12,8), ensemble
Originals Epic Strings (60 piece), large string section (16,14,12,10,8), ensemble
Originals Intimate Strings (25 piece) chamber section (8,6,4,4,3), ensemble
Originals Cinematic Frozen Strings (8 piece) small string band (2,2,0,2,2) - no violas, ensemble
Fractured Strings (8 piece) small string band, (4 Violin, 4 Celli, Solo Violin, Solo Cello), ensemble
Symphonic Motions (34 piece), 22 violins & 12 cellos (22,0,0,12,0), ensemble
Symphonic Strings (60 piece), large string section (16,14,12,10,8)
AIR STUDIO 1:
Studio Strings Pro (56 piece), large string section (16.12.12.12.4) and divisi for smaller chamber sections e.g. violins1 can be 16 but also 8 and/or 4a and/or 4b (smallest section possible would be 4,3,3,3,4)
Studio Strings (30 piece), medium-sized chamber section (8.6.6.6.4)
AIR EDEL STUDIOS:
Fragile String Evolutions (15 piece), small-sized chamber section (4,3,3,3,1), long evolving note ensemble
MAIDA VALE:
BBCSO Pro (60 piece) individual sections (6,14,12,10,8), also solo instruments
ABBEY ROAD 1:
AR1 Orchestral foundations (60 piece), high strings are 16,14,12 and low strings are 10,8, ensemble
AR1 Legendary Low Strings (0,0,0,10,8) in octaves, ensemble
AR1 Soaring High Strings (16,14,0,0,0) in unison, ensemble
It depends on how you mix and the math of mixing and stacking samples is not the math of adding players to a room.
I don't have either CSS or CS2 and I'm not at all an expert mixer, so take everything with several grains of salt. If I recall correctly, CS2 is the larger ensemble, and already close to symphonic in size. The first thing I would do is work to maximize the impression of size; adding reverb, delay, more distant mics, etc. Then I'd add CSS to it so that it adds the impression of detail but doesn't diminish the impression of size for CS2. You should be left with the impression of CS2+. It almost certainly won't sound like CS2+CSS, but more like: somewhat larger than CS2. (And you generally want to avoid it sounding mostly like a blurring of CS2 and CSS.) You have to be careful though because if you push too much CSS then the mix will move towards CSS in size. It's interesting to hear how this happens (you can especially hear the effect if you mix a solo instrument with a section and hear the impression of the ensemble size diminish as you mix more toward the solo instrument.So what is a proposed mixing strategy to make 2 bundles sound like symphony sized as realistic as possible?
This too. For the impression of symphonic sized string sections my actual strategy is to use samples of symphonic sized string sections, sometimes more than one.Two recordings from smaller rooms, when layered, will never sound exactly like a single, larger recording space.
Since 1) the mic choices these libraries are based on is sometimes more important than the number of players, and 2) sometimes, adding another library ends up sounding smaller than one of them: IMHO one needs to experiment and have a special focus on distance between the players and the mics.So what is a proposed mixing strategy to make 2 bundles sound like symphony sized as realistic as possible?
Me too ^^ Sames.84 strings, 6 harps, 22 woodwinds, and 17 brass players. The score also requested that 4 trumpets and 4 trombones be placed apart