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..and took it as an opportunity to do a straight action score like everyone else. I didn't win.
Absolutely Lizzy.
I didn't enter, but my initial instinct was to go for a straight up action cue. I didn't clock the genre switch and didn't see the subtle tongue in cheek in the scene.

Props to David and to all those others who understood this. I salute you all. 👍
 
I for one hope Ramin blends some 8-bit into the Season 4 soundtack to definitively put this matter to bed. I don't say that as a joke, it could work as David has shown and why not? To date the show has been rather playful with its pop culture references anyway.
 
There seems to be this supreme confidence that the style and tone of the winning entry would NEVER have aired in the show (or be chosen by any director) but it makes me wonder if anyone has actually watched the show?

There is an entire episode where one of the main characters sees everything in sepia and all the underscore is Herrmanesque, 1940s, film-noir.

Its not actually that big a leap to imagine the producers wanting to make a specific statement by being anachronistic and playing against the action of the scene. All that would be required is a slightly different narrative to justify that choice. But it wouldnt actually be totally out of left field for this show to make that choice.
 
Do you have the numbers about this ratio of 50/50?
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Sorry if that wasn't clear enough.
Seems I was unclear, myself. I was referring only to the combined runners-up and winner. Three of the runners-up were more conventional hybrid modern action score. Two of the runners-up chose to go with the genre-bent interpretation. Andrew Morgan Smith had a cool Williams/Silvestri action approach, and Oleg Troyanovsky's is like a ballet. You could arguably say Kacper Stachowiac's metal version is embracing the 'genre' theme too, but metal isn't too far off more conventional action scoring. So, within the winning group of six, it's roughly 50/50 depending on how you classify Kacper's track.

It was interesting to listen to the full length versions of all the tracks, not just the trimmed bits from the announcement video.

I think the whole bunch of them were really cool, and showcased how differently this scene could be scored within the context of the show and the conventions of sci-fi.
 
To add to some of the recent posts highlighting why David's track is so great, I was thinking this morning about some of the complaints or questions raised about it, or about how the judges evaluated it, and thought (foolishly, I'm sure) that it might be helpful to share my thoughts.

I'm not Zimmer, Clouser, etc. Chances are I'm neither as talented nor as experienced as a composer as the folks raising the question, so take my analysis in that context. I can be a pretty cogent analyst, though, so FWIW, here's why the judge's decision makes sense to me:

1. The "genre" question
We're supposed to move abruptly and jarringly from a score more directly in the modern tradition into a "genre" switch that fits the cartoonish cinematic violence of the guided missile and the SUV explosions. All the better if we also get a window into Caleb (Aaron Paul)'s bewilderment. The original soundtrack is the Wagner piece itself a delightfully florid (with all due respect to Wagner's genius) piece of musical drama, chosen as a "punch right square on your nose" reference to how Apocalypse Now used the piece.

Some folks didn't bother about the genre switch at all. Lots of folks, like me, chose to emulate that genre switch by writing either knock-off Wagner or knock-off 80's action cues to match the Apocalypse Now genre. In retrospect, that's a losing move if you're not Wagner or a successful 80's-era composer. David didn't try that. He realized that the visuals of an oversaturated futuristic car-chase with over-the-top pyrotechnics and "point-and-shoot" mechanics could work as 8-bit video game. More subtly, it's a "right square on your nose" reference to another cultural touchstone that lots of people will instantly recognize - 8-bit video games. In other words, it's a reference that's arguably as obvious as the reference in the original episode, but also makes sense out of Caleb's perceptions of what's happening.

2. Scoring (emphasis/mood/storytelling)
If you're watching the other characters experience a car chase in a modern cinematic setting, and Caleb experience the same thing as an arcade game, the back-and-forth makes perfect sense. David's choices of sound, theme and hitpoints all focus me on Caleb's experience and his character's distorted sense of reality.

3. Compositional craft
Musically, David chose a theme subtly reminiscent of the brass theme in Ride of the Valkyries (I thought it was, at least. Could be wrong), which works effectively in both 8-bit and orchestral settings, and across a range of dynamics. That's—to me—why it works so well when the orchestral and 8bit come together to simulate the triumphant completion of a video game level, all the way down to the juxtaposition of a climactic emotional moment from the orchestra and a buzzy little congratulatory phrase in 8-bit.

I'm not saying this is a definitive analysis of either the episode or David's creative choices, but it's a large part of why I personally, in my own subjective way, think David's entry is so clearly deserving of the top prize.
 
To add to some of the recent posts highlighting why David's track is so great, I was thinking this morning about some of the complaints or questions raised about it, or about how the judges evaluated it, and thought (foolishly, I'm sure) that it might be helpful to share my thoughts.

I'm not Zimmer, Clouser, etc. Chances are I'm neither as talented nor as experienced as a composer as the folks raising the question, so take my analysis in that context. I can be a pretty cogent analyst, though, so FWIW, here's why the judge's decision makes sense to me:

1. The "genre" question
We're supposed to move abruptly and jarringly from a score more directly in the modern tradition into a "genre" switch that fits the cartoonish cinematic violence of the guided missile and the SUV explosions. All the better if we also get a window into Caleb (Aaron Paul)'s bewilderment. The original soundtrack is the Wagner piece itself a delightfully florid (with all due respect to Wagner's genius) piece of musical drama, chosen as a "punch right square on your nose" reference to how Apocalypse Now used the piece.

Some folks didn't bother about the genre switch at all. Lots of folks, like me, chose to emulate that genre switch by writing either knock-off Wagner or knock-off 80's action cues to match the Apocalypse Now genre. In retrospect, that's a losing move if you're not Wagner or a successful 80's-era composer. David didn't try that. He realized that the visuals of an oversaturated futuristic car-chase with over-the-top pyrotechnics and "point-and-shoot" mechanics could work as 8-bit video game. More subtly, it's a "right square on your nose" reference to another cultural touchstone that lots of people will instantly recognize - 8-bit video games. In other words, it's a reference that's arguably as obvious as the reference in the original episode, but also makes sense out of Caleb's perceptions of what's happening.

2. Scoring (emphasis/mood/storytelling)
If you're watching the other characters experience a car chase in a modern cinematic setting, and Caleb experience the same thing as an arcade game, the back-and-forth makes perfect sense. David's choices of sound, theme and hitpoints all focus me on Caleb's experience and his character's distorted sense of reality.

3. Compositional craft
Musically, David chose a theme subtly reminiscent of the brass theme in Ride of the Valkyries (I thought it was, at least. Could be wrong), which works effectively in both 8-bit and orchestral settings, and across a range of dynamics. That's—to me—why it works so well when the orchestral and 8bit come together to simulate the triumphant completion of a video game level, all the way down to the juxtaposition of a climactic emotional moment from the orchestra and a buzzy little congratulatory phrase in 8-bit.

I'm not saying this is a definitive analysis of either the episode or David's creative choices, but it's a large part of why I personally, in my own subjective way, think David's entry is so clearly deserving of the top prize.


Not to mention, the motifs are brilliantly applied and are easy to recall. I could sing this whole thing back in my head. The Action motif, into the trouble motif, into the tension motif...and the cross between 8-bit and orchestral is fantastic. I wish I could get the audio alone to studio such great application motifs. Something I am not at all as strong in.
 
I didn't enter, but my initial instinct was to go for a straight up action cue. I didn't clock the genre switch and didn't see the subtle tongue in cheek in the scene.

Again, props to David on his score--pro quality through and through.

I suppose if you were scoring for a director, he or she would tell you more regarding what would be desired for the genre switch--as opposed to keeping it on the down low for one to figure out. I imagine there were so many quality scores submitted that clocking the genre switch was a significant difference maker.

I teach students how to write college application essays, and making such an essay distinct, noteworthy and memorable is key. Damn it if I didn't have the chiptune melody playing in my head last night when I couldn't sleep. I did not hear any of the other entries playing in my head.

Regarding the person who asked if this might legitimately be used in the actual show, I did so address this earlier--it could: https://vi-control.net/community/th...d-winner-announced.95160/page-28#post-4587001
 
Come on, guys. Just a reminder. There was 11,000 submissions. They had to pick one. Whatever they would pick, it would upset anyone that wouldn't share the point of view that the particular composer had. Don't be entitled. You're not a bad composer just because you haven't been picked in a massive world wide competition. :)

You nailed it. It's just human nature....and no matter who had won, it would be the usual lynch mob casting their complaints. What I see mostly though, is the community camaraderie. Just like any other "sport". Anyone who's complaining about this should take a step back and look in the mirror, as they obviously have some sort of insecurity issues or something. We need to celebrate David's success (and the other winners, of course).
 
I just learned about what ever happened here and I‘m in rage mode!!!
This was all rigged!
Take the winners name and switch the first two letters to B and D and the last three to W, Z and K, what do you get? Yeah right!!!
JJ Abrams Pornhub password!

Spitfire there you have it, I burnt all the freebie libraries I bought from you! And a taco, which was an accident though...

Now get outta my way, there‘s a gameboy sale at walmart going on!!
 
I think the surprise here is that the winner presented a style of music Spitfire products does not promote. Maybe Spitfire learn something with this, because they are to conservative with their products, like they are afraid that some kind of innovation might be a blasphemy that offend some. I feel Spitfire try to transmit a "this is not a toy" brand image, with a couple exceptions. Many times, when experimenting with Spitfire libraries, I felt a lot of opportunities for crazy new stuff where missed. And thats why this winner surprises, because everyone were expecting something more classic.
 
They weren't looking for a well scored sequence fitting the atmosphere and climate of the show. They were not looking for something that brings out the story and heightens all of the emotions being conveyed in the picture.

Except for David's piece is a well-scored sequence that does fit the atmosphere and climate of the show (particularly this sequence) that brings out the story and emotions as well (if not better) than the Wagner excerpt that was used in the original. And does so with flair, originality, and not a small quantity of cleverness and humor.

I get that there is disagreement on how well people feel the winning piece accomplished the above goals, but the only "right" opinion is the one of the show's creators-- who, it turns out, judged the contest. You might disagree with their decision, but its the only one that matters.

Welcome to the film/tv/game industry.
 
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People saw big names for the Judges, and then they saw the judges treat the competition like a joke. That is why people are mad.
Speaking of the big name judges, I'd be genuinely curious to know if David heard from them since winning. Even a small "congratulations!" email.
 
Well what I really liked about David his entry is that is it inspires again to take a new approach.

In the end I couldn't make it due to a lack of time by finishing off my entry, but still planning to continue to work on it for fun and learning and watched Davids submission again gets me inspired again to try and think out of the box for this clip, so a big thanks David for this great learning experience as well!

completely agree with you Jaap. i found it so inspiring that something so non-formulaic and so far out of left field could take the top price. i think it takes balls and bravely to step outside whats expected. Any true creator would see this as "yes, there is still room to continue to experiment and explore the world of music and sound combination". in my opinion music is always about the emotional journey it takes you on, and each journey is always unique when written by a different composer. the emotional journey this traditional subtle action scene morphing into this 8-bit world took me on was something i had not experienced before and it make me smile with enjoyment. we in the VI world should appreciate more than anyone that its not about having access to a $5000 Orchestra to achieve enjoyable and inspiring music and instead appreciate if done the right way, really enjoyable art can be created using an 8-bit machine.

if i wanted to inspire the next generation of young kids to keep on inventing and experimenting with music and sound, this would be the entry i would show them. no rules no limits, just simply music.

so i say David Congratulations well deserved.

Danny
 
Christian's "Salty Sea Dog" video on his channel is well-tempered anguish. At the same time, he continues in this episode an unbroken track record of generously sharing, keeping positive, and providing inspiration. Without any sleep or otherwise, that's impressive. No visible empties.

Quirky piece by David won. Didn't see it coming. Happens at county fairs, art shows, beauty contests, talent shows, cooking competitions. Tastes differ. Nothing but congratulations to David.

Imagine this kind of vitriol levied against a sugary soda maker after somebody won a song contest.

A frustrated but resolute guy on a mountain, or his partner in a studio responding. The soda company would tell you to go blow, here's a coupon.

Think about it. What amazing times, and what an incredibly accessible and responsive company.

As for me, my admiration for Spitfire is unalloyed. There might be better ways to discuss David's work. He genuinely has been receptive to conversation.
 
To add to some of the recent posts highlighting why David's track is so great, I was thinking this morning about some of the complaints or questions raised about it, or about how the judges evaluated it, and thought (foolishly, I'm sure) that it might be helpful to share my thoughts.

I'm not Zimmer, Clouser, etc. Chances are I'm neither as talented nor as experienced as a composer as the folks raising the question, so take my analysis in that context. I can be a pretty cogent analyst, though, so FWIW, here's why the judge's decision makes sense to me:

1. The "genre" question
We're supposed to move abruptly and jarringly from a score more directly in the modern tradition into a "genre" switch that fits the cartoonish cinematic violence of the guided missile and the SUV explosions. All the better if we also get a window into Caleb (Aaron Paul)'s bewilderment. The original soundtrack is the Wagner piece itself a delightfully florid (with all due respect to Wagner's genius) piece of musical drama, chosen as a "punch right square on your nose" reference to how Apocalypse Now used the piece.

Some folks didn't bother about the genre switch at all. Lots of folks, like me, chose to emulate that genre switch by writing either knock-off Wagner or knock-off 80's action cues to match the Apocalypse Now genre. In retrospect, that's a losing move if you're not Wagner or a successful 80's-era composer. David didn't try that. He realized that the visuals of an oversaturated futuristic car-chase with over-the-top pyrotechnics and "point-and-shoot" mechanics could work as 8-bit video game. More subtly, it's a "right square on your nose" reference to another cultural touchstone that lots of people will instantly recognize - 8-bit video games. In other words, it's a reference that's arguably as obvious as the reference in the original episode, but also makes sense out of Caleb's perceptions of what's happening.

2. Scoring (emphasis/mood/storytelling)
If you're watching the other characters experience a car chase in a modern cinematic setting, and Caleb experience the same thing as an arcade game, the back-and-forth makes perfect sense. David's choices of sound, theme and hitpoints all focus me on Caleb's experience and his character's distorted sense of reality.

3. Compositional craft
Musically, David chose a theme subtly reminiscent of the brass theme in Ride of the Valkyries (I thought it was, at least. Could be wrong), which works effectively in both 8-bit and orchestral settings, and across a range of dynamics. That's—to me—why it works so well when the orchestral and 8bit come together to simulate the triumphant completion of a video game level, all the way down to the juxtaposition of a climactic emotional moment from the orchestra and a buzzy little congratulatory phrase in 8-bit.

I'm not saying this is a definitive analysis of either the episode or David's creative choices, but it's a large part of why I personally, in my own subjective way, think David's entry is so clearly deserving of the top prize.

A very thoughtful analysis! Thank you!

I want to share my thought process behind my score, because I did put a lot of thought into it. I also want to tell a little bit about my story, because the idea that I'm an industry veteran or a working composer couldn't be further than the truth. Though I started writing music at age 15 I gave up on it many times because I never really had the courage to share it. I'll post a little video on YouTube, along with a little walkthrough for anyone interested.
 
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