Hendrixon
Senior New
Never heard of those...
Will check them, thanks.
Orchestral Tools: Berlin Series on SINE now!
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Will check them, thanks.
Nigel Andreola
Active Member
I own Berlin Strings and Berlin Woodwinds. For Brass, I've been using CSB and Infinite Brass. I'm considering completing my Berlin orchestra so I can make mockups that sound like their in the same space and do less work trying to mix things. I like the warm romantic tone and legato of the Berlin demos but held off buying them because I do like the option to be able to swell from quiet to very loud in a legato patch. Now that Berlin Brass is updated with a loud layer, do you think Berlin Brass can take the place of CSB in my work?I just compared the Horns Ensemble Legato, its superior in SINE in every aspect.
First off all in kontakt its sluggish and the tails collide and smear... sine has NONE of that.
Kontakt has 3 layers p-mf-ff and SINE p-mf-f-ff. the kontakt ff sound more like f though it has a bit more full body sound that suit orchestral horns. in SINE the ff sounds like ff, the whole dynamic range is smooth. the attack is a bit better so its a bit more agile.. not Jasper agile lol
OT weren't kidding about recording "another layer"!
The sustain in kontakt again same 3 layers, in SINE 4 layers which go to real ff.
And on top of that there is another patch called Sustain Bold... which is a single FFF layer if you must want to do epic with OT
servandus
Member
Thanks for the advice. Yes, after wating for the sine version I'll probably end up going the Kontakt route.
FrozenIcicle
Senior Member
Can anyone confirm these two questions?:
1) If I own BB originally, do I get BF + cross grade price on the whole Berlin series?
2) If I do and then complete/buy the bundle, do I qualify for free Berklee orchestra?
1) If I own BB originally, do I get BF + cross grade price on the whole Berlin series?
2) If I do and then complete/buy the bundle, do I qualify for free Berklee orchestra?
Hendrixon
Senior New
Bones are beautiful
The added layer is spot on
Btw, In general I'm more a sucker for good recorded sound and will tolerate playability/programming issues. those I can try and fix with programming and DAW tricks... but recorded tone? what is there is there.
Robin
Active Member
I couldn't let this rest and just went a for while through the legatos of all the new sine ports comparing them to the kontakt counterparts and unfortunately the legatos on all are sometimes considerably worse than on Kontakt. I'd say the woodwinds are the best of the new versions but still not as good as the Kontakt versions, brass and strings are really problematic. It really sounds like the transitions have been shortened, on some instruments they seem almost non existant. Some dynamic layers are really problematic (the legato forte layer of the 3 Tpts regarding attack/release as well as legato transitions on the tree mic for instance)
This is really frustrating, especially as the original Berlin Brass had some of the most expressive legato. At the current state (plus the time synced playing techniques crashing Studio One) I will remain on the Kontakt version of all of those libraries. Quite a letdown.
This is really frustrating, especially as the original Berlin Brass had some of the most expressive legato. At the current state (plus the time synced playing techniques crashing Studio One) I will remain on the Kontakt version of all of those libraries. Quite a letdown.
lettucehat
Senior Member
I will definitely wait to see if OT comments on the legato issues. The rule of thumb people generally follow is not to buy libraries based on what you hope they might add later, but this is more complicated as they apparently already had better legatos before. And they did a good job with the added fff layer, so I would hope the under the hood tweaking happens at some point.
lexiaodong
Member
PROC is china,ROC is china too.my family lives these two places, let me invade my uncle? no...No.
Edit: unless you mean Republic of China and not PRC
OK, let's stop this non controversial issue and go back to the library.
lettucehat
Senior Member
You literally started it one page ago.
stevebarden
Active Member
Never fun when faithful customers end up being beta testers. Shameless money grab to capitalize on BF sales?
Hendrixon
Senior New
Lets start with this >>> I hate SINE, well, more like "don't like it".
I'll save my **firing hate** to the spitfire player... that thing is the worst piece of software I own, not just from music but everything (databases, programming IDEs, 3D modeling, video editing). it was optimized MAYBE for Intel core duo cpus
Regarding Berlin, so far I tried just the Brass, its the part that got the most work (added layers!) and I'm really drawn to brass. all in all, accounting for all aspects, I feel its better then the kontakt version.
If you are one of those that use VIs like ROM players, don't look under the hood, then there is no need for Berlin kontakt, at least not the Brass section. if I was buying it all now, I would get the kontakt libs too for the extra 5% cost cause I do like to go inside things, tweak stuff etc.
FrozenIcicle
Senior Member
1) I now see my discount added in sine.
2) Still need answers
Getsumen
16 > 24
Probably not actually. Per the OT post apologizing over the delays in SINE ports I presume that they were planned a while ago but took longer than expected. I guess the timing lined up nicely for BF. All assumptions of course.
That and also the constant pressure from people to release the SINE ports.
From what I hear from the complaints though these all seem like scripting issues rather than recording issues. If that's the case I feel a lot safer since OT can at least fix the scripting down the line.
From an earlier users post:
Hendrixon
Senior New
CSB has more consistent and better legato, goes higher then BB even with the new layers.
On the other hand BB has the none dispute upper hand in the sound department, its majestic in my view.
Hendrixon
Senior New
Hope it doesn't clutter the thread, I'll just post things I encounter.
So the BB Bones Ensemble legato, really wonky, yea kontakt one is better.
There is a volume slider for the transition samples, they are set too low to begin with.
adding like 10dB makes them sit better, though they are still wonky for lack of better word.
There is an option to remove the transition samples, it literally turns the patch into a scripted legato.
I did it and it made this patch pretty usable for a mix.
So the BB Bones Ensemble legato, really wonky, yea kontakt one is better.
There is a volume slider for the transition samples, they are set too low to begin with.
adding like 10dB makes them sit better, though they are still wonky for lack of better word.
There is an option to remove the transition samples, it literally turns the patch into a scripted legato.
I did it and it made this patch pretty usable for a mix.
Getsumen
16 > 24
They're all in capsule so yes-ish
Capsule has an articulation limit of like 12 or so, so you can't fit every articulation onto one patch, but that also wouldn't really make sense.
Nigel Andreola
Active Member
Thank you! I noticed you can get a bigger, richer sound with CSB when not using the highest dynamic, so I would imagine BB would be even better for that! Legato isn't everything. I noticed that in a lot of classical pieces that feature brass, most of the time the brass are not playing connected notes and when they are, they are layered with strings. Jupiter by Holst for instance.
