syrinx
Senior Member
For that example, in Sibelius, I even just select the bar and hit delete. Quick and easy.Actually, in Sibelius you can select the tie and eight note together at the same time - so still fewer steps
Dorico -> Sibelius?
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ALittleNightMusic
Professional Amateur
I’ll be the first to say I think the ribbon UI paradigm is a bit old school, but there’s an aspect of it in terms of organizing functions that really made it easy for me to figure stuff out in Sibelius. I really like Dorico’s UI, but a lot of stuff is hidden in properties or preference windows (ex. text size for a particular style or staff/note spacing). And then they rely on icons instead of text, so from an immediacy standpoint, it can be difficult unless you are very familiar with all the icons.I guess the reason why Dorico (or Sibelius users, Logic users, Finale users etc) users not always agree in how well Dorico (etc) work for composing is that there are several ways to compose using a score DAW or score app (or DAW with a built in pro, advanced score editor – which I think we'll see a lot of the coming decade).
Much of this could be improved if the developers of such apps implemented proper support for all possible, relevant ways to compose suing their software.
If Dorico would have introduced these changes, many Dorico users would certainly complain less:
- Contextual menus for everything
– Key commands for everything
- Menu options for everything
- Proper Help functionality for everything:
John Wilson
Member
Also, I really like the Jump bar options that I think was introduced to Dorico 4 (press J). You can easily type in what you want without even having to remember any of the shortcuts using J. If you forget one of the shortcuts, just press J and type in what you want and it'll come up.
Bollen
Vintage Member
If you have the system track on by default, it's equally easy to delete just one bar.
Just press J and search for what you want, it's pretty good..
wing
Senior Member
yeah 'J' is pretty awesome. If you don't know where something is, just start typing a few letters and it will pop-up, hit enter and it will take you right to where it exists in the menu preferences. Also handy for complex filtering tasks. So you really don't have to memorize anything. Let's say you want to filter all dynamics... you can just hit 'J' and all I have to type is 'fil dy' and it's the first thing that comes up, never even have to leave my keyboard -
I also really love quickly filtering individual notes in chords this way, a lot easier than assigning and memorizing key commands -
This is also really handy when you know what something is called but don't know the key command for it, since it will tell you on the right side. Other nice ones are stuff like inversion and rotation, just start typing 'rot' or 'inv' and you'll get a few options to mix notes up for fresh material. Between the jump bar and popovers I love that I can stay in the creative zone and don't have to dig around in contextual menus and panels searching for something, potentially losing my train of thought.
I also really love quickly filtering individual notes in chords this way, a lot easier than assigning and memorizing key commands -
This is also really handy when you know what something is called but don't know the key command for it, since it will tell you on the right side. Other nice ones are stuff like inversion and rotation, just start typing 'rot' or 'inv' and you'll get a few options to mix notes up for fresh material. Between the jump bar and popovers I love that I can stay in the creative zone and don't have to dig around in contextual menus and panels searching for something, potentially losing my train of thought.
syrinx
Senior Member
I was not referring to deleting the actual bar. Rather, just hitting delete/backspace to clear the bar. It felt like people were explaining how to delete an eight note with a tie in a much more "academic" way in Sibelius than what is necessary.
Robin
Active Member
The Jump Bar is even more powerful than that. First, if you don't type anything into it, it will do the last command you executed with it which is great if you need to do repetitive tasks. Just trigger the command once with the jump bar and after that it's just J and Enter.yeah 'J' is pretty awesome. If you don't know where something is, just start typing a few letters and it will pop-up, hit enter and it will take you right to where it exists in the menu preferences. Also handy for complex filtering tasks. So you really don't have to memorize anything. Let's say you want to filter all dynamics... you can just hit 'J' and all I have to type is 'fil dy' and it's the first thing that comes up, never even have to leave my keyboard -
I also really love quickly filtering individual notes in chords this way, a lot easier than assigning and memorizing key commands -
This is also really handy when you know what something is called but don't know the key command for it, since it will tell you on the right side. Other nice ones are stuff like inversion and rotation, just start typing 'rot' or 'inv' and you'll get a few options to mix notes up for fresh material. Between the jump bar and popovers I love that I can stay in the creative zone and don't have to dig around in contextual menus and panels searching for something, potentially losing my train of thought.
Second, on complex commands once you've found them in the jump bar you can type "=xy" without the quotes behind it. Next time you open the jump bar, you type xy into it and it will trigger that command. Eg. No need to type fil dy as per your example above but I made it fd. Or ft, f2, etc. For filtering top notes, 2nd notes etc. This is a simple yet incredibly powerful tool that can make you incredibly fast with the jump bar.
wing
Senior Member
Wow, I never knew about the "=xy" trick! Cool stuff. Just assigned "filter notes by pitch" to "fn"
I have previously made some suggestions on the Dorico forum with the jump bar - I feel like in the future there could be some kind of consolidation between the jump bar and popovers, which is understood by context and basic syntax. I feel sometimes the popovers still do get confusing where something lives - a good example being ornaments and playing techniques. Or you simply change your mind, you wanted a trill, but suddenly decide it's a tremolo in need. So I believe the jump bar could be even more useful if it let you access literally anything you can from the popovers - just start typing and it will auto-suggest based on context etc.
I also think some note filter & transpose functionality could be great in the jump bar, to simplify the step of the pitch & transpose window for really simple tasks. Stuff like "filter g#" to select all g#'s, or you could get octave specific if you want. Or really basic transpose, you want all your f naturals to be f#, so with your passage selected just invoke J and type "f to f#" or some kind of simplified easy syntax like that. I think it would make basic pitch tasks a lot easier than the current pop-up windows which I find a little overwhelmingly complex a lot of the time.
Robin
Active Member
You can exactly type that into the shift-I popover.
Well almost exactly. The syntax is f=f#
wing
Senior Member
Never knew you could do that with shift+I! cool. do you happen to know of a way to filter specific articulations, like if you have several staves selected and want to filter all staccato to switch to staccatisimo? that would be handy but I haven't figured out a way.
but I do think a universal popover could be nice, or if the jump bar could access things you can from the popovers, such as playing techniques, ornaments, dynamics, bars, holds. I'm picturing almost something sort of like an A.I. assistant which you invoke and in a few short letters or basic syntax tell it exactly what you want.
Not that I'm complaining though, the current popovers and jump bar are pretty fantastic, and I'm learning new tricks every day!
ALittleNightMusic
Professional Amateur
I see Dorico has a dialog for selecting / unselecting specific notes, but is there a way to select all notes below or above a specific note? Without typing in each eligible note into that dialog?
Bollen
Vintage Member
Not yet, but I have requested it so hopefully will show up in future versions...
mducharme
Senior Member
Aside from doing a rectangle select in the piano roll view, I don't think so, although the searches I did before said this was supposed to be coming. But the rectangle select works well for that. You may just have to zoom out vertically and horizontally in case it is zoomed in too much so that you can select the entire area you want in one go.
sundrowned
Senior Member
Something like stream deck is very helpful for often used multi action commands. There's also the built in macro system in dorico. You can record multiple actions to a macro. So could record selections of different note ranges if often needed.
Dorico's sales are usually 30% off in November, except for their 50% off in Nov 2022, is that right? It seems like buying secondhand is probably the way to go for me, if that's the case. Exploding parts is one of the features I like, and it turns out not to be available for Elements.
One additional question is whether it's possible to export MIDI, but without cc data? I don't envision myself importing any of my libraries into Dorico, but just using Note Performer alone.
One additional question is whether it's possible to export MIDI, but without cc data? I don't envision myself importing any of my libraries into Dorico, but just using Note Performer alone.
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mducharme
Senior Member
AFAIK, there's no option to export MIDI with no CC data, but unless you are adding CC data manually yourself by drawing in the CC lanes, all CC data is added on-the-fly by the expression map, except for the initial CC7 set by the MIDI volume slider. So, if all tracks are set to use the "default" expression map, which uses only velocity, then the export shouldn't include any other CC's unless you've added them yourself. I imagine probably changing templates from "NotePerformer" to "Silence" so that you no longer hear the score probably results in this and then doing the export should handle this, but I'm not 100% sure. If not, you can probably remap all tracks to some dummy vsti set for "Default" expression map and then export.
The HALion Sonic Selection (e.g the non-HSO, non-Iconica sounds that you get with the free version of Dorico) are all General MIDI with no keyswitches or additional CC data (beyond CC1 for dynamics, and things like panning).
If you want to export with no 'extraneous' MIDI data, using the HSS Playback Template is your best bet.
Noteperformer uses a tonne of CCs for all its magic.
sinkd
AARP Curious Member
Will dorico export MIDI if you choose "Silence" as the playback template?
A quick test reveals I get a MIDI file with 4 items in it: SMPTE, Time sig, tempo and key sig. No notes. (In Dorico, all the notes have a velocity of Zero.)
