Big changes coming to Pianobook
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filipjonathan
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Could you sum the video up?
titokane
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Christian is handing the reins over to Loren, who has been with Spitfire for 7 years and previously made Composer Magazine the quality online publication it is. She has big plans to make Pianobook more inclusive and foster the community, and plans to change the name to something more representative of it being a collective of composers making sounds for composers, rather than a piano-centric sampling project. Loren will be supported by a team of people from Spitfire, including the designer from Composer. The spirit of the project will remain the same — mostly free sounds from composers, with opportunities to monetize. Strong intention to highlight the members of the community, educate, and show off interesting uses of the samples if and when they end up in bigger projects.
I think that covers most of it, just going on my recollection from watching last night.
filipjonathan
Literally The Best Member
Bless you!
Casiquire
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I was thinking the same thing lol
Thank you! That sounds pretty good in my opinion.
Lee Blaske
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200,000 users of PianoBook? Yikes! On one hand, it's nice to see something be successful, but on the other hand, especially for any young person contemplating being in the music creation business, the warning flags are up. Competition to earn an income from this work is going to continue to get more and more intense, and when supply goes up, the price comes down.
No wonder there are 100,000+ new tracks being added to Spotify every day. With everybody sitting behind a computer pumping out tracks, who's left out there to listen to all of the music being created?
No wonder there are 100,000+ new tracks being added to Spotify every day. With everybody sitting behind a computer pumping out tracks, who's left out there to listen to all of the music being created?
Pier
kiffaudio.com
Pier
kiffaudio.com
The number that was flying around was 60k but that isn't true either.
Even at 60k per day that would mean 21M tracks every year but there are about 100M tracks on Spotify so it doesn't really add up.
These articles explore the 60k number further on.
https://www.hypebot.com/hypebot/202...ploaded-to-spotify-a-day-myth-bill-werde.html
https://www.hypebot.com/hypebot/202...are-uploaded-to-spotify-daily-bill-werde.html
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Not 38M but 21M!
My calculator failed me
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robgb
Genius. Idiot. You Decide.
Why did he decide to do this?
Michel Simons
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It's in his twitter thread (or whatever it is called in twitterese).
Lee Blaske
Senior Member
60K per day would only be a mere 21.9 million new tracks per year to listen to. The number of tracks being added per day has been rising very rapidly in recent years. It certainly hasn't been at that level since the beginning.
It would be interesting to know how many of those tracks were added by the 200,000 PianoBook users.
Digivolt
Glitch Vulture
Best not open that can of worms again
As for Pianobook it's a shame it seems like a massive overhaul is going to happen from name change to look & feel of it (as mentioned in the video) and the push for "inclusiveness" well that rarely ever works for the good and I don't understand why a push is needed when PB is already inclusive to anyone who wants to contribute a library and download a library
Will see how it works out but I think they're going to be pushing the boat out too far with changes and it might not work out as intended but I hope I'm wrong
Lee Blaske
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Cue Doris Day singing "Que sera sera." The only certain thing is that everything in the content creation world is going to continue to change rapidly, and there's little any of us can do to control it (and throwing advances in AI into the equation only makes things even crazier). We're in for a wild ride.
Up until now, I think a lot of people (especially younger people) have viewed something like PianoBook as a way to get noticed, and possibly advance a fledgling career. That might motivate some into earnestly doing a LOT of work to create instruments. But, as a service like this continues to grow exponentially, do we reach a point where the general background noise of a tsunami of constant creation makes the platform pointless as a tool for career advancement? Does it start to more closely resemble an algal bloom?
titokane
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Inclusive was my word, not necessarily exactly the word used in the video. Specifically Loren mentions feeling like the first cohort of composers she met on her way into the industry were not very inviting, and wants Pianobook to be "inclusive" (again, my interpretation) of all up-and-comers as well as more established composers.
She also specifically mentions that she would like to get more women samplists on board as a personal initiative. Overall she wants it to feel even more open, inviting, accessible, etc. -- not that it currently isn't. Just alterations here and there for the better.
Pier
kiffaudio.com
You're right, I've edited my previous post!
I researched this a bit more and in Nov 2020 Spotify reported 65-70M tracks. Now they report 100M tracks so the 100k and the 60k daily uploads numbers are clearly inflated in some way. I don't doubt Spotify may have peaked to those numbers at some point, but that's definitely not the average.
titokane
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Officially this is happening because Christian is too busy on composing projects and various other work and wants Pianobook in the hands of somebody that can focus their full energy on it, and Loren seems like a great fit to help foster the community.
Unofficially, CH said some things online that have damaged his reputation with parts of the sampling community and this may be a way to protect Pianobook from any additional fallout.
More information can be found in the Twitter thread posted above by Pier.
Lee Blaske
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From what I can see, they're still on an upward trend. Nothing is permanent, though, when it comes to streaming services. SoundCloud is on a downward trend.
Pier
kiffaudio.com
I wish!
SoundCloud is finally profitable after years of losing money. Between 2018 and 2021 they have almost tripled their revenue and doubled their users.
In case you don't know, I'm working on something like a SoundCloud competitor. Not the social media network but only the audio hosting.
Lionel Schmitt
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I wonder how a page where everyone can just submit their sounds can be more inclusive though?
I always hate when things loose focus on the raw essence that is sound and music turn to identity.
If I ever find out a label took me in to have a half black guy on their roster....
ahem. I try to be less neurotic and nicer these days.
I'd just give them the middle finger and move on haha.
I always hate when things loose focus on the raw essence that is sound and music turn to identity.
If I ever find out a label took me in to have a half black guy on their roster....
ahem. I try to be less neurotic and nicer these days.
I'd just give them the middle finger and move on haha.
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