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A new perspective on the sound of Falcon

zwhita said:
My problem with Vintage Vault 3 and Synth Anthology both are that the actual vintage analogue offerings have somehow had most of their character removed so that they sound closer to the vintage digital offerings.
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For the record -since you seem to quote me?- I do not particularly endorse sample based “analog libraries”. They can have value, but I hardly ever use them. Like you I either like to use actual synthesis or my hardware classics ;)
 
The differences are usually subtle, but I like to think I know what to listen for. Bits of noise and saturation in the pre-VCA stage. DC offset messing with the sound staging. The pulse reset in the oscillators varying enough to create new harmonics of their own. The way the oscillator mix intermodulates. And tons of stuff I don't even understand but hear in my own gear with the filters. No one ever, ever ever gets the filters completely right. It's just too complicated.
 
zwhita said:
The differences are usually subtle, but I like to think I know what to listen for. Bits of noise and saturation in the pre-VCA stage. DC offset messing with the sound staging. The pulse reset in the oscillators varying enough to create new harmonics of their own. The way the oscillator mix intermodulates. And tons of stuff I don't even understand but hear in my own gear with the filters. No one ever, ever ever gets the filters completely right. It's just too complicated.
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You ears are better than mine ;)
 
doctoremmet said:
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OK this sold me on Falcon @Databroth !

Now I just need to wait a couple of weeks until BF...

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@UVI can you just start your BF sales early this year? Pretty please?

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Alchemedia said:
I hate to throw a monkey wrench into your well-laid BF plans, but have you considered HALion? Those who find Falcon too clinical or brittle tend to prefer HALion, which has a slight edge sampling-wise and rumour has it an update is on the horizon.
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I believe I've encountered those rumours in the form of hopes and wishful thinking... It would be lovely if it is true. I don't have HALion, but I am an admirer of HALion libraries, which have a lovely sound.
 
Databroth said:
haha awesome, I barely scratched the surface there, can't wait to dig in more with falcon
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I know!

But hearing the raw results of you abusing the distortion gave me a better idea than most the demos I've heard which tend to be very polite.
 
Alchemedia said:
I hate to throw a monkey wrench into your well-laid BF plans, but have you considered HALion? Those who find Falcon too clinical or brittle tend to prefer HALion, which has a slight edge sampling-wise and rumour has it an update is on the horizon.
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I did in fact check Halion but very superficially to be honest. My quick impressions were that it seemed like a great sampler but so so synth. The effects of Falcon seemed better, I think?

Any third party libraries you can recommend?
 
Pier said:
I did in fact check Halion but very superficially to be honest. My quick impressions were that it seemed like a great sampler but so so synth. The effects of Falcon seemed better, I think?

Any third party libraries you can recommend?
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For Halion? Sonic Atoms has Baltic Shimmers and Zaria which are both gorgeous, plus their free Novel Piano. Liminal is also lovely, string textures by Crocus Soundware. There aren't a huge number of third party libraries, but those are just the ones I have.
 
Pier said:
Yeah, I don't think it would matter that much if it these were in Kontakt, Falcon, or Halion?
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I just don't know for sure. My working hypothesis is that it does make a difference, that the engines don't playback samples with a neutral tone. SFZ instruments sound pretty much like their WAV files sound on their own. Falcon definitely doesn't.

In any case, once you start applying processing within the player, then the character of its effects resources will start to show.

The Omnisphere version of Baltic Shimmers sounds like Omnisphere, and not like the HALion version. But that's a bit different as Omnisphere wouldn't be able use nearly as many samples.
 
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