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And solo oboe:
That solo oboe from Berlin Exp B is never not stunning.
And solo oboe:
Here are the comparisons of solo flute playing Leia's Theme.
And solo oboe:
These examples were submitted from different people, since one person doesn't usually own this many winds libraries. I did some of the flute examples, but I didn't actually do the oboes. For that, you might want to ask @Jonathan Moray .I noticed you just copied pasted the automation data on each library patch.
Especially the oboes this is very clear. (weird volume/dynamic bumps in almost every example, except one)
Here is the midi. You might want to check out that thread. Maybe even submit your own versions.My bad!
i see..i stand corrected
however, still it sounds like the exact same midi data on different libraries.
(maybe there is a midi file in that thread you provided)
I listened to both demos and had the same thoughts as you. Thank you for saving me putting my foot in my mouth. However, your point is well taken and probably points as much to the variable level of skill among the contributors as differences in the libraries themselves.My bad!
i see..i stand corrected
however, still it sounds like the exact same midi data on different libraries.
(maybe there is a midi file in that thread you provided)
If you can improve on this comparison, by all means submit your versions. Check out the thread.I listened to both demos and had the same thoughts as you. Thank you for saving me putting my foot in my mouth. However, your point is well taken and probably points as much to the variable level of skill among the contributors as differences in the libraries themselves.
What I mean is that some of them sounded quite good and some not so much. As an owner of the 8dioboe I know it has significant limitations, the legato in particular, but that can be corrected with the SIPS script. The limited short articulations and baked in expressiveness can't be fixed with programming. But for $18 it has some uses.
Still I'm anxious to hear CSW.
These examples were submitted from different people, since one person doesn't usually own this many winds libraries. I did some of the flute examples, but I didn't actually do the oboes. For that, you might want to ask @Jonathan Moray .
You are free to submit your own examples, if you think other folks aren't doing it well.
Library Comparison Thread (Audio Demos)
I thought people may like to hear the solo horn in JXL brass do this as well - See, it isn't all crazy processed FFF ;p Listening through them all, this is already one of my favorite and one of the most consistent examples of this. This is just the midi file available in this thread with...vi-control.net
My bad!
i see..i stand corrected
however, still it sounds like the exact same midi data on different libraries.
(maybe there is a midi file in that thread you provided)
I listened to both demos and had the same thoughts as you. Thank you for saving me putting my foot in my mouth. However, your point is well taken and probably points as much to the variable level of skill among the contributors as differences in the libraries themselves.
What I mean is that some of them sounded quite good and some not so much. As an owner of the 8dioboe I know it has significant limitations, the legato in particular, but that can be corrected with the SIPS script. The limited short articulations and baked in expressiveness can't be fixed with programming. But for $18 it has some uses.
Still I'm anxious to hear CSW.
Here are the comparisons of solo flute playing Leia's Theme.
1.CineWinds
2.Berlin Woodwinds Legacy
3.Berlin Woodwinds Exp B
4.Infinite Woodwinds
5.8Dio Claire Flute (Treated w/ Altiverb, Gullfoss, Melodyne. Original Post)
6.Spitfire Studio Woodwinds
7.Spitfire BBC SO
8.WarpIV
9.VSL (Solo flute 1)
10.Expressive Instruments (Flute prototype. More info here.)
And solo oboe:
1.Berlin Woodwinds Expansion B
2.Berlin Woodwinds Oboe 2
3.Cinewinds Oboe 1
4.8Dio Claire Oboe
5.8Dioboe
6.Spitfire Studio Woodwinds
7.Audio Modeling Swam B
8.IK Multimedia Miroslav Philharmonik
SStW flute is Core in that example, so it's the Tree mic. I do not own SStW Pro, sorry. I updated the original post.Oh boy, those SStW winds sound pretty washed out, was expecting a more close sound considering that this is the “Studio” series. I assume this is the Tree mic? Do you have the pro version with the close mics? Have been interested in completing my Studio package, as I recently got the pro strings and they sound quite nice, but I find this woods example pretty underwhelming.
SStW flute is Core in that example, so it's the Tree mic. I do not own SStW Pro, sorry. I updated the original post.
How do you like the library in general? I'm watching walthroughs and it seems some instruments sound quite good with the Tree mic, but others like the flute and clarinet really shine with the close mics. The Cinesamples package is tempting me, but I'm thinking it might be good to stay with the Studio series for consistency (strings are quite nice!) I'm going for a palette that lets me go close and detailed, but can also take a nice amount of ambient/effecty reverb, without turning into synth pad blur.
I can only speak to SStW Core, since that's what I own. For people starting out, I'd say it's a great option at that price point.How do you like the library in general? I'm watching walthroughs and it seems some instruments sound quite good with the Tree mic, but others like the flute and clarinet really shine with the close mics. The Cinesamples package is tempting me, but I'm thinking it might be good to stay with the Studio series for consistency (strings are quite nice!) I'm going for a palette that lets me go close and detailed, but can also take a nice amount of ambient/effecty reverb, without turning into synth pad blur.
So I tried the midi with the 8dioboe and couldn't get it to sound any better, SIPS script or not. It seems the midi was particularly good at finding the really bad legato transitions in the 8dioboe. The midi does have quite a bit of CC programming, modulation and breath. It seems both modwheel and breath controller were used in the original which would mean it would probably be optimized for one library but should be edited when used with any different library.Some of the Oboe contributions used the same midi - most I would guess - but I know that at least one or two didn't. I can't really demand that people spend more time than they are willing on a test like these, its more for fun than anything.
I agree with you, Pantonal: a lot of it is also up to the proficiency of the contributor. Some of the contributions are with libraries that the person hasn't used in a few years, it's just something they threw in because they had it. There's also no added reverb can mask the bumps and imperfections to most of the libraries.
Obviously, it should be clear that you should take any demo with a grain of salt, even developers. I know people who can make bad libraries sound good, and I know people who can make good libraries sound bad.
So I tried the midi with the 8dioboe and couldn't get it to sound any better, SIPS script or not. It seems the midi was particularly good at finding the really bad legato transitions in the 8dioboe. The midi does have quite a bit of CC programming, modulation and breath. It seems both modwheel and breath controller were used in the original which would mean it would probably be optimized for one library but should be edited when used with any different library.
I upgraded to SStW Pro with similar misconceptions. My advice is.....don't.