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I mocked up a bit Mozarts Figaro..

Nice one! I was distracted by the strings sometimes, as some spiccato patch felt very close and not in the same room with the other (e.g. around 11 seconds in, they're really in your face, 0.15 or the beginning further away). Have you layered perhaps 2 strings library to give it more bite? Apart from that I like the string sound a lot, is it Berlin?
 
Awesome job!
Sounds almost like a recording:thumbsup:
Only "weird" thing I heard so far is the string runs from 0:09-0:14; they are I'd say clearer in "real playings".
Really like the Woodwind sound though:) may I ask what libraries you used there?
 
Wow, that is absolutely ****ing amazing!!

I have no idea how people do things like this. My talent is several leagues below this, but wow, I'm envious!

Congratulations, that's really wonderful.
 
N.Caffrey said:
Nice one! I was distracted by the strings sometimes, as some spiccato patch felt very close and not in the same room with the other (e.g. around 11 seconds in, they're really in your face, 0.15 or the beginning further away). Have you layered perhaps 2 strings library to give it more bite? Apart from that I like the string sound a lot, is it Berlin?
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Thanks. I will keep an eye on that. I have also a version which is a bit more "hall" and there the Violins are bit more restrained. Actually I layered a lot. Yes, Berlin Strings indeed but also others, but Berlin is probably the leading tone, lets put it this way.
fretti said:
Awesome job!
Sounds almost like a recording:thumbsup:
Only "weird" thing I heard so far is the string runs from 0:09-0:14; they are I'd say clearer in "real playings".
Really like the Woodwind sound though:) may I ask what libraries you used there?
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That has to do with the more close miced thing. I have a 2nd where it sounds more blurry. Yes, my goal is here to duplicate or fake a real recording. It is still in progress. I am working on that illusion.

It is mostly Berlin Woodwinds!

Garry said:
Wow, that is absolutely ****ing amazing!!

I have no idea how people do things like this. My talent is several leagues below this, but wow, I'm envious!

Congratulations, that's really wonderful.
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Thanks man, glad you enjoyed it! No need to be, just practise a lot. I am no special guy with superman skills, I just do this stuff aaaa lot..
 
fretti said:
Awesome job!
Sounds almost like a recording:thumbsup:
Only "weird" thing I heard so far is the string runs from 0:09-0:14; they are I'd say clearer in "real playings".
Really like the Woodwind sound though:) may I ask what libraries you used there?
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Ah I missunderstood that..No they are not that super clear, actually they are bit blurry..just go and listen to some recordings..actually thats what my ears tells me.
 
N.Caffrey said:
Nice one! I was distracted by the strings sometimes, as some spiccato patch felt very close and not in the same room with the other (e.g. around 11 seconds in, they're really in your face, 0.15 or the beginning further away). Have you layered perhaps 2 strings library to give it more bite? Apart from that I like the string sound a lot, is it Berlin?
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I corrected the violins a bit..
 
AlexanderSchiborr said:
Ah I missunderstood that..No they are not that super clear, actually they are bit blurry..just go and listen to some recordings..actually thats what my ears tells me.
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Yeah, just listened to a few other recordings, seems like every orchestra and conductor does it a little different. So I guess that falls under interpretation:)
 
Sounds a bit too huge to my taste (and to the era taste), but we're not Harnoncourt :-P I like how the strings flow naturally, would be curious to read what you blended to get this result. (Seems like you blended a lot of libraries on this one.)

I will have a second listen tonight with my studio monitors (I just had a first listen with headphones).

Would you recommend mock-uping Mozart? What did you get from it? What skills do you have the impression got a bit muscled thanks to this mock-uping? I'm always eager to add stuff to my "to-mock-up" list (have been doing lot of Kabalevsky and Balakirev lately), so just curious ;)
 
ghandizilla said:
Sounds a bit too huge to my taste (and to the era taste), but we're not Harnoncourt :-P I like how the strings flow naturally, would be curious to read what you blended to get this result. (Seems like you blended a lot of libraries on this one.)

I will have a second listen tonight with my studio monitors (I just had a first listen with headphones).

Would you recommend mock-uping Mozart? What did you get from it? What skills do you have the impression got a bit muscled thanks to this mock-uping? I'm always eager to add stuff to my "to-mock-up" list (have been doing lot of Kabalevsky and Balakirev lately), so just curious ;)
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Hi man, :) Okay, well, I didn´t felt so with that huge sound. Did you listen to some live recordings (Youtube etc)? Sure..there are smaller ensembles but also bigger ensemble interpretations out there. I blended mostly Orchestral tools libraries here from Berlin Strings, Metropolis ARK 1 and 3. A little sometimes from Spitfire symphonic strings. Also from the expansion A+B and a lot of stuff is layered by solo violin. (one cost 14 dollars and the other is even free)

I would recommend it when you want to learn voice leading, form and repetition and melody, but...my approach is here to make it as realistic as possible which is an undertaking..I don´t know..do it..I take always "something" out of it. Somtimes I learn some licks, some chord progressions..stuff like that..orchestration of course. Try the mozart piece out! Just mock up that first agile run in the beginning. It teaches you a cool orchestrational preset.
 
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It's close to modern interpretations, so it's still legit. But if you compare to more historically-oriented interpretations like Charles Mackerras', you'll hear the strings still sound a bit thick in your mock-up. You can also hear how greatly the orchestra is balanced in your mock-up.

I see what you mean by interesting chord progressions, and they are cool orchestra devices at the beginning. You might also learn a lot concerning voicing and balance. As you put it, there is always something to learn with this kind of exercize. Even on the technical side, you obviously verbessertest your template mixing and layering techniques to get this result.
 
Brilliant mockup!!
I'm really picky about "realistic" mockups (you might remember my "Live or Midi?" game - I would be hard to do another one because...-) in my view 99% percent of VI productions are not realistic at all.
This one is standing out!

The weak parts I think are some of the woodwinds (blurry, a bit like sustains rather than legatos in the beginning and at 2o seconds in - also a little bit bumpy at 2o - 23 seconds - CC curves to harsh maybe...)
Also the last 2o seconds are not as cohesive as the rest of the track - could be because it's work in progress there.

Overall I think this is really well done! All non-existent hats off!! :D

+ Although I'm generally a fan of room sound I clearly prefer version one. I'm not super familiar with classical recordings and music but it just feels more authentic...
 
AlexanderSchiborr said:
Hi man, :) Okay, well, I didn´t felt so with that huge sound. Did you listen to some live recordings (Youtube etc)? Sure..there are smaller ensembles but also bigger ensemble interpretations out there. I blended mostly Orchestral tools libraries here from Berlin Strings, Metropolis ARK 1 and 3. A little sometimes from Spitfire symphonic strings. Also from the expansion A+B and a lot of stuff is layered by solo violin. (one cost 14 dollars and the other is even free)

I would recommend it when you want to learn voice leading, form and repetition and melody, but...my approach is here to make it as realistic as possible which is an undertaking..I don´t know..do it..I take always "something" out of it. Somtimes I learn some licks, some chord progressions..stuff like that..orchestration of course. Try the mozart piece out! Just mock up that first agile run in the beginning. It teaches you a cool orchestrational preset.
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It's a great suggestion, but this would be too much for me to start with. Any suggestions of something easier, perhaps that you've mocked up in the past, that would help those of us just starting out?

I was so impressed with your mockup: there are several that have been posted here recently that confirm that we're getting to the stage were VIs are sufficiently indistinguishable from real instruments, that we're almost across 'uncanny valley', in the same way that Google's recent demonstration of voice reproduction was indistinguishable from the real thing too. Sure, there will be no replacement for listening to real players live (I can't see concert halls being packed out to listen to VI mockups!), but when it comes to recordings, the vast majority of listeners (I include myself) will be thoroughly convinced by these mock ups.
 
Great listen! Sounds like a couple of the levels could be tamed.

The largeness of this reminds me of one of my favorite recordings of Mozart's music: the Beethoven-sized versions of the last three symphonies, conducted by the venerable Herbert Von Karajan (the last movement of the Jupiter on that recording...you've got to hear it to believe it). You took what I believe would be considered a chamber piece and blew it up in a very cool and different way imo.
 
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I don't know what to say, man. If I hadn't known in advance that this was a mockup I'm pretty sure that it would never have crossed my mind that it was. In fact the woodwinds do a couple things that I'd probably have found myself thinking something like, "Hmm. I wonder if midi could do that." Maybe it's a combination of the room, the mix and the performance. Whatever it is, this is the kind of "recording" I like to play to people who think that midi music still sounds obviously fake. Incidentally, I played the "real or fake" test of @DarkestShadow for half a dozen music supervisors here in Hollywood who believe they can tell the difference, and none of them scored any better than a coin toss would have. I think this piece would do the trick too.
 
Wow! The mockup and mix is right on the money for me overall--listening to the 2nd one (1st one has too much noise). I agree that there are some blending issues; close mic or solo jumps out at ~12 and 24 seconds; a funny stereo imaging shift in string note at ~50 and 56 seconds (listening on cheap headphones). Maybe punch it a bit harder on the tympani? But overall this is really impressive.
 
Divico said:
Amazing mockup. Only thing I´d point out is that there is a bit too much verb for my taste, I think I´d like a bit more direct and clean.
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Thanks! Well I didn´t felt to much verb, but according to very dry recordings it has a bit more reverb. My setting is influenced by big orchestra recordings in a hall.

fretti said:
Yeah, just listened to a few other recordings, seems like every orchestra and conductor does it a little different. So I guess that falls under interpretation:)
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Yeah, see? :D Those fast lines blur slightly because of the timings, + the hallsound. Both comes together, probably even more the ambience is a factor here. Because they can play butt-tight..

ghandizilla said:
It's close to modern interpretations, so it's still legit. But if you compare to more historically-oriented interpretations like Charles Mackerras', you'll hear the strings still sound a bit thick in your mock-up. You can also hear how greatly the orchestra is balanced in your mock-up.

I see what you mean by interesting chord progressions, and they are cool orchestra devices at the beginning. You might also learn a lot concerning voicing and balance. As you put it, there is always something to learn with this kind of exercize. Even on the technical side, you obviously verbessertest your template mixing and layering techniques to get this result.
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Yes, the approach are beethovenized Mozart interpretations in the vein of H. Karajan. I always work with specified templates, not a universal one. That would not work for a couple of reasons.

DarkestShadow said:
Brilliant mockup!!
I'm really picky about "realistic" mockups (you might remember my "Live or Midi?" game - I would be hard to do another one because...-) in my view 99% percent of VI productions are not realistic at all.
This one is standing out!

The weak parts I think are some of the woodwinds (blurry, a bit like sustains rather than legatos in the beginning and at 2o seconds in - also a little bit bumpy at 2o - 23 seconds - CC curves to harsh maybe...)
Also the last 2o seconds are not as cohesive as the rest of the track - could be because it's work in progress there.

Overall I think this is really well done! All non-existent hats off!! :D

+ Although I'm generally a fan of room sound I clearly prefer version one. I'm not super familiar with classical recordings and music but it just feels more authentic...
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Thanks Lionell! Actually lyrical expressivo winds are incredibly hard to pull of with samples, eben with the best sample libraries. Winds in that context play with intention and have a lot of expression with molto vibrato which samples often just don´t have enough..plus other things..well I give my best so that the final version will be better.
Garry said:
It's a great suggestion, but this would be too much for me to start with. Any suggestions of something easier, perhaps that you've mocked up in the past, that would help those of us just starting out?

I was so impressed with your mockup: there are several that have been posted here recently that confirm that we're getting to the stage were VIs are sufficiently indistinguishable from real instruments, that we're almost across 'uncanny valley', in the same way that Google's recent demonstration of voice reproduction was indistinguishable from the real thing too. Sure, there will be no replacement for listening to real players live (I can't see concert halls being packed out to listen to VI mockups!), but when it comes to recordings, the vast majority of listeners (I include myself) will be thoroughly convinced by these mock ups.
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There are couple of great guys here on Vi which have a lot of talent with mockups, like NoamL, Grim Universe, Guy Bacos, Benny Oschmann, also others which are not here, but just to mention these guys.
Start with something which is not that intense fast and something which has not that dense arrangement. Maybe "In the Hall of the Mountain King". Apart from the finale which goes fast with all the string runs the piece is definitely a bit easier to do I would say so.

Parsifal666 said:
Great listen! Sounds like a couple of the levels could be tamed.

The largeness of this reminds me of one of my favorite recordings of Mozart's music: the Beethoven-sized versions of the last three symphonies, conducted by the venerable Herbert Von Karajan (the last movement of the Jupiter on that recording...you've got to hear it to believe it). You took what I believe would be considered a chamber piece and blew it up in a very cool and different way imo.
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Yes, beethoven sized H. Karajan was my approach here..

Ben E said:
I don't know what to say, man. If I hadn't known in advance that this was a mockup I'm pretty sure that it would never have crossed my mind that it was. In fact the woodwinds do a couple things that I'd probably have found myself thinking something like, "Hmm. I wonder if midi could do that." Maybe it's a combination of the room, the mix and the performance. Whatever it is, this is the kind of "recording" I like to play to people who think that midi music still sounds obviously fake. Incidentally, I played the "real or fake" test of @DarkestShadow for half a dozen music supervisors here in Hollywood who believe they can tell the difference, and none of them scored any better than a coin toss would have. I think this piece would do the trick too.
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Thanks a lot Ben. I am trying my best with that illusion. Lets see how far I get with the final version..fingers crossed..
 
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