VSL Synchron Strings I Announced (Nov. Release)
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zoilreb
The Fantastic Mr Zoilreb
@muziksculp you will soon have the 100 pages golden badge on you picture like Mike Verta 
This is my little contribution to that great goal !
This is my little contribution to that great goal !
synergy543
Senior Member
This is like that game at summer camp where everyone whispers the secret into the next person's ear and by the time it gets back to you, its absolutely hilarious. No, I didn't say Dennis Sands engineered these. Dennis Sands engineered the Conrad Pope examples that were recorded at the Synchron Stage which you can download from Conrad Pope's soundcloud website. These are a nice reference standard for the Synchron Stage. And I had used Shawn Murphy just as an example of someone who does a nice job mixing raw string sounds a you might get in the Sychron Strings that benefit from the same kind of mixing treatment. Synchron Strings were not meant to be used by themselves but processed as any strings recorded on a sound stage would be.
Folks, if you keep misreading and adding fake news, we'll too quickly surpass our Jan 20 100 page target and I'll not get my beer from Alexander Schiborr. Slow down please!
Guy Bacos
Senior Member
So far I haven't played around with the mic settings, but obviously one can personalize it to their own liking, and depending on the style of piece, the possibilities are infinite. I'm playing it safe for now, but will start exploring this side more in future demos.
@muziksculp, yes full.
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jamwerks
Senior Member
I didn't say you did. I just asked a question.
We already have it.
And sorry if I point it out, but you implied there are stuff that doesn't work for you neither. Flautando, staccato..great. but this library is 400 gbs because there are 4 types of legato that are useless.
I didn't buy Synchron Flautandos. I bought a library that misses most common articulations but was meant to offer a re-invented legato.
There's no sarcasm from my side. Just disappointment.
Because when I see the main demo creator for vsl achieve my same (bad) results, no matter the quality of his compositions and skills), I lose any hopes about the future of this library.
Simon Ravn
Senior Member
The clarity in the samples is very evident in "Unchained" (especially in the latter part, after the sul tastos which are good but easily rivaled by other libraries). The cellos+basses staccatos also seem pretty good, but the violins made me chuckle. Unfortunately the lack of life/vibrato in the sustains (and staccatos actually) is still very evident. And some of the x-fades between dynamics and releases sound very unnatural and abrupt, but that could be up to programming of course.
The clarity and definition is definitely amazing but still feels like a wasted opportunity.
This.
Guy Bacos
Senior Member
When you use the X Slot the variation from non vibrato to full vibrato is enormous in my opinion, but you must remember this is 14 violins, the vibrato will never stand out like a smaller group, the sound is more homogeneous. The 2nd violins are a smaller group and you could hear the vibrato stand out more, but the legatos aren't in yet for them. I'm sure if they do chamber synchron you will get strong vibratos.
Jimmy Hellfire
Senior Member
At this point, who cares though? Especially since you more than once made it clear that you categorically don't believe there's any room or possibility for improvement with this library, as well as the developer in general.
I get that it's 2018, and it's the internet and everything, but dealing with disappointments is part of life. I think I whined less about my divorce.
Guy Bacos
Senior Member
Communication is important for a relationship! Remember that next time :D
Simon Ravn
Senior Member
You can certainly have much more vibrato sound with 14 violins, just listen to a ton of film scores, or Hollywood Strings which I believe use even bigger sections. The custom library we did a while back also had tons more, which we explicitely asked the musicians for. I believe it was 12 violins. Those last two won't make the world of difference. I didn't hear "molto espressivo" in any of the sections, nor the cellos, in the pieces you did so I assume it isn't there.
Chamber size sections could definitely have more vibrato, but unfortunately this won't really help when you don't need those smaller sizes, and I still fear the same approach to recording samples will apply. Apassionata did have much more vibrato though, if I recall, so maybe there is still hope.
Exactly, sorry but this answer of the section size doesn't make any sense.
When I play Synchron Strings it sounds to me like if half of the player are vibrating and the other half are not.
So many users asked them to include molto vibrato... it was really that hard to give us the chance to have it with a such huge library.
When I play Synchron Strings it sounds to me like if half of the player are vibrating and the other half are not.
So many users asked them to include molto vibrato... it was really that hard to give us the chance to have it with a such huge library.
Looks like the "minimum requirement of manual keyswitches" will be respected as well!The latest Vienna catalogue provides a (bit obscured) peek at the Synchron Player -
And also announces a "Synchron piano" - the Yamaha CFX, probably to release sometime 2018.
https://eu.vsl.co.at/downloader.aspx?MediaID=13238 (Catalog here)
I hope steinberg will update the Expression Maps, otherwise it will be hard to handle this approach of different keyswitches categories.
Lotias
Active Member
I would note that some keyswitches probably aren't needed during the course of a usual performance - such as turning releases to ringing or damped. What I'm curious about is that the legato, short, etc. articulations are listed separately, and how they intend on following the promise of combining (or allowing you to combine) legato, shorts, vibrato intensities, etcetera. At least the microphone workflow will be a lot better than what I've seen in Vienna Instruments.
Also noticed that the legato keyswitch was set to "auto speed." I wonder what that does exactly. Obviously it picks the legato type for you, but I wonder which speeds correspond to which legatos... they did claim that the slur legato was good for fast passages, but there is also the fast legato itself.
it will probably depends on the velocity. Like for those libraries where a very low velocity value trigger the portamento.
Btw I also hope and think that picture was an "early development" screen of the GUI. Looks like a bit too spartan to be VSL.
Sovereign
Senior Member
It looks like a souped-up version of the current player. Isn't the new player supposed to minimise keyswitching?
