Poll: Most useful Logic suggestions? Please keep voting! :-)
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Dom
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Even more last minute:
Third party plugins to display EQ curve preview, and compressor gain reduction on channel strips. Pro Tools can do this (at least for gain reduction) One should be able to define a default EQ and compressor other than Logic stock plugins that opens when double clicking the EQ window, or the gain reduction area in the channelstrip.
Midi FX plugin slot multi-out instrument AUX channels. Particularly useful for those of us who use template with VE Pro, and articulation switching via midi scripts.
Disable/deactivate Plugin (as mentioned before in various ways), like in Pro Tools. Both for FX inserts and software instruments. Particularly useful with higher latency plugins on buses, where a simple bypass doesn’t bypass the latency, and where low-latency mode is too drastic. Also good for temporarily unloading high RAM usage instruments.
Multiple surround outputs. Useful when printing surround stems onto another recorder. While there can be currently multiple surround buses, there is only one surround output.
Third party plugins to display EQ curve preview, and compressor gain reduction on channel strips. Pro Tools can do this (at least for gain reduction) One should be able to define a default EQ and compressor other than Logic stock plugins that opens when double clicking the EQ window, or the gain reduction area in the channelstrip.
Midi FX plugin slot multi-out instrument AUX channels. Particularly useful for those of us who use template with VE Pro, and articulation switching via midi scripts.
Disable/deactivate Plugin (as mentioned before in various ways), like in Pro Tools. Both for FX inserts and software instruments. Particularly useful with higher latency plugins on buses, where a simple bypass doesn’t bypass the latency, and where low-latency mode is too drastic. Also good for temporarily unloading high RAM usage instruments.
Multiple surround outputs. Useful when printing surround stems onto another recorder. While there can be currently multiple surround buses, there is only one surround output.
jcrosby
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I was thinking more along the lines of Studio One's FX Chains, Ableton Racks, and Blue Cat's Patchwork... I love my VEP, and no desire to replace it
Pair this feature with smart controls and you start to get something that has the power of Ableton's Racks but with the fine grain control Logic allows that Live makes challenging...
(Currently I use Patchwork. Having a native option would be a lot nicer...)
It would make it easier to recall plugin strips without having to deal with Logic's ungodly nest of channel strip settings folders... (e.g Track Strips, Buss Strips, Instrument Strips and Master Strips are all located in different parts of the library. Kind of a mess to organize... This keeps everything in once place, nice and tidy.)
And, it allows for recalling processing chains from other instruments without it nuking your current instrument, which is what happens when loading instrument strip settings.... (You'd have to of course recreate your strips, but I'd easily spend a day doing this if this were the benefit...)
For instruments you can create instrument stacks on one channel. I do this in Live and Studio One... Add a kontakt or omnisphere, filter out the lows, add a parallel instance of another synth as a sub and filter out the highs... Or just have stacks of useful instrument combinations...
Also imagine being able to pull up a rack on selection based processing, you could quickly chain racks into racks quicker. (This assumes they would implement it like a plugin effect, which would be the way to go...)
The potential is pretty awesomeSmart controls could also be streamlined to be easier to map like Live's Macros as well... And as mentioned in the poll, 'make smart controls actually smart'!
E.G.
Studio One:
Patchwork:
Live's Racks with Macros. (E.G. Plugin Chainer + Smart controls)
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jcrosby
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Agree for sure. If they at least deal with core overload that would be a huge help. 8 out of 10 times I have CPU issues it seems due to core overload... Add instruments into the mix and it's compounded. Either way I can host well over 100 instruments on a pretty beat up 2011 macbook in VEP. On my mac Pro 250-300. Logic can't come nearly this close. I' assuming it has a lot of background stuff to handle... but I'd imagine whatever VEP is doing to achieve such lean CPU use Logic could learn from...
As mentioned in another reply, I see cores 'move around' with playback and live tracks, but the CPU hit looks the same to me... I.E. I see the same intensity of spikes, they just get allocated to another core. Who knows maybe I've missed something here?
Definitely. I'd consider it an 'essential' improvement for anyone who use Logic for scoring or orchestral work.
Yes. From What I understand Cubase does this? ( VEP does of course...) I see it requested a lot, and would certainly make working from smaller templates easier. Ideally it'd be nice to break out VEP for the heavy duty stuff but have some native templates for medium to smaller projects. (Film scores as well. I often build unique sound sets and don't mess with VEP on a film unless it specifically needs a bunch of orchestral work. If it's mostly electronic or hybrid I'd prefer to stay in Logic, as hunting for patches and making instrument tweaks is easier to mentally keep track of when it's all in the same place...
I've always found upping the buffer allows me to use more plugins. I basically wrote with a low buffer and mix with the highest one possible.
Thanks again
Living Fossil
Senior Member
...one thing i really miss is the possibility to send midi data (also controller data) to plug ins....
Using Midi controlled effects in instrument slots is extremely annoying.
Using Midi controlled effects in instrument slots is extremely annoying.
Jack Weaver
Senior Member
Solo groups - be able to create them quickly and have a few in memory for quick recall.
Multiple surround outputs (a way to create multiple surround stems simultaneously).
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Multiple surround outputs (a way to create multiple surround stems simultaneously).
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And you're of course not thinking of this window, which is quantising what is displayed, but not played:
Or wait - maybe it would work along with this function?
jcrosby
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Yes definitely. Seeing time and music at the same time is useful. I also like to use markers as notes that I can see in the arrange page... Lots of reasons why this would be an improvement...
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Dom
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Totally agree about the multiple surround outputs which was part of my suggestions earlier.
Solo Groups: Out of interest why not use the existing group function which can be to just solo? It's also possible to assign multiple groups to a channel.
Christof
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I know the marker set option, but especially when I am scoring for film I use markers to define my cue in and out points, but in addition to that i would love to have a second marker lane for optional things like hit points, mood changes and these things.Please enlighten me... out of curiosity, why is that better than having this:
I don't want to switch between sets, I want to see everything at once.
Jack Weaver
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Solo Groups - So often in larger orchestral scores I find myself needing to solo not only groups of like instruments which are already grouped or bussed to a similar output (i.e., VC group into an ouput bus) but individual members of other groups along with a main instrument group. So my soloing needs go beyond members of a single group.
For example, today I'm doing something where I need to balance some accents that are in VC, timpani and DB against an ostinato in Vla and WW.
Here's how I'd like to solve that:
- I manually set up my first solo group with the VC, timapani and DB.
- Then take a snapshot memory of that solo group.
- Likewise I'd set up my ostinato group of Vla & WW
- Then once again take a snapshot memory of the solo group.
So anytime I wish to recall those groups it takes a 1/2 second to click on a button in the Solo Snapshot Memory Window (which of course is recallable with a keystroke). That way I can quickly make artistic balance decisions with my emotional recall still intact.
Much preferable spending 10 or 20 seconds soloing what I want to hear and trying to figure which way I'd really like it to be in the mix
Problem solved. No fuss. No muss.
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PS -
Back in the early 90's and late 80's there were non-automated mixing consoles (notably DDA, Amek and others) that had a manual feature that allowed the user to create Mute Groups with preset buttons. That was very useful on non-automated boards.
If the nice people at Logic decide to create Solo Group Snapshots they might as well go the extra distance to similarly create Mute Group Snapshots.
Chances are that a lot more people would begin to find it amenable to mixing in Logic than Pro Tools.
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Jeremy Spencer
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Not sure if it's been mentioned, but I'd like the ability to "pinch zoom" vertically with the trackpad. It's entirely possible I'm a total ding-head and missed a setting for this.
And you're of course not thinking of this window, which is quantising what is displayed, but not played:
Or wait - maybe it would work along with this function?
That's a way to step input a tuplet in the score editor. I would like to see integrated in the quantize options of the piano roll for example, a way to select a group of notes and quantize them to any tuplet. It's something that I have to do in my work pretty often though I may be in the minority. And yes, the step input is the way I usually do it.
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"That's a way to step input a tuplet in the score editor"
Not only that, actually.
I haven't checked if my suggested solution works (it should work), but if one selects the notes one wants to edit in the piano roll, and press N to open the notation window, piano rolls uers can use the score editor merely as a set of extra functions for the piano roll editor, and close it again after the edits have been performed. But again, it would be better if these functions were not only dedicated functions (full n-tuplet quantising), but also appear in all relevant editors.
Please keep posting more suggestions, guys - it seems that there's room for expanding this poll or creating a 'part two'.
Not only that, actually.
I haven't checked if my suggested solution works (it should work), but if one selects the notes one wants to edit in the piano roll, and press N to open the notation window, piano rolls uers can use the score editor merely as a set of extra functions for the piano roll editor, and close it again after the edits have been performed. But again, it would be better if these functions were not only dedicated functions (full n-tuplet quantising), but also appear in all relevant editors.
Please keep posting more suggestions, guys - it seems that there's room for expanding this poll or creating a 'part two'.
