Negative Track Delay Database / Spreadsheet

[David Kudell]

Heres a direct link to the database: Link






EDIT: Ok, here's a Google sheet I've created. If you're interested in contributing values for some instruments (and know how to use a Spreadsheet), let me know and I can give you write access.

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Original post: Is there a database anywhere of negative track delay values? Going through my template, figuring it out, it seems like there ought to be a resource for this - a Google doc or something? Or is everyone just figuring it out on their own? I know some of the manufacturers post their delays (Cinematic Studio Series) but others don't. And some libraries have different delays per instrument.

Maybe there's a way we can create a shared doc or something?

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[A.Heppelmann]

I would absolutely love to have these for the Berlin Series. Especially for staccatos -- it's like every instrument's attack is slightly different (which i suppose is realistic, but that doesn't make it easy to program).

 

[David Kudell]

Well I definitely am doing the Berlin series, along with Spitfire Symphonic, so I can share those values when I figure 'em out.

And yeah, my philosophy on this has changed where I'm definitely working in the grid now. My tracks are tighter, it's faster to fix timing issues, and it's much easier to chop up sections on the bar/beat and move them around. Also will be better dealing with picture changes and for matching live recorded sections with samples.

 

[axb312]

I would love to know the correct values for:
1. Century Strings
2. Hollywood orchestral percussion
3. Timphonia

 

[Wedge]

Well I definitely am doing the Berlin series, along with Spitfire Symphonic, so I can share those values when I figure 'em out.

And yeah, my philosophy on this has changed where I'm definitely working in the grid now. My tracks are tighter, it's faster to fix timing issues, and it's much easier to chop up sections on the bar/beat and move them around. Also will be better dealing with picture changes and for matching live recorded sections with samples.

I would be grateful if you would share Spitfire Symphonic when you are done.

 

[Henu]

I think this is something we definitely should gather and do together! You know, like a sticky topic!

 

[crubbish]

I mean if we can find someone to manage it we can all message and build it together ?

 

[Christoph18]

I think there was a thread on this forum about a plugin that automatically adjusts the negative track delay for Cinematic Studio Strings in Logic. It would be so helpful if they developed this kind of plugin for Cubase as well, and made it possible to adjust the parameters for other libraries. (Like Hollywood Orchestra Opus in the future ) Maybe there are some news regarding this. I must admit that I am not a very active member.

If someone developed this, I would gladly pay for the plugin.

 

[Kony]

I mean if we can find someone to manage it we can all message and build it together ?

If everyone wants to post known track delay settings here in this thread, I'm happy to put them together onto a s/s to share on the forum

 

[Nico Schuele]

That would be hard to do. Many libraries have a different delay depending on the dynamic of the articulation (like a mp staccato with -40ms and a ff staccato with -20ms.)

 

[Kony]

There are some obvious acceptable ones though - eg Performance Samples advertise the pre-delay settings on their site. The database could cover these, and also identify specific delays per articulation. Velocity-based differences would be hard to accommodate though.

 

[David Kudell]

That would be hard to do. Many libraries have a different delay depending on the dynamic of the articulation (like a mp staccato with -40ms and a ff staccato with -20ms.)

That’s bonkers, why would they do that? Well, in that case you just have to pick the shorter number and use that.

 

[DovesGoWest]

I did thread where i tried to calculate all of the timings for the BBCSO core but found that for some reason when i went to render the track to audio the spitfire player didnt seem to like the negative delays.

Audio Imperia Areia has 250ms, i believe this is standard for them and Nucleus has the same sample start delays.

 

[Nico Schuele]

That’s bonkers, why would they do that?

Most of the time, it's due to the physics of the instrument. Lower dynamic attacks take longer on wind instruments, for example. But yeah, like Audio Imperia, they could cut them at the same value.

 

[David Kudell]

If everyone wants to post known track delay settings here in this thread, I'm happy to put them together onto a s/s to share on the forum

I think a shared Google sheet would work. I will create one and put all of my numbers in there and then share that, then whoever wants to add to it can do so.

 

[DovesGoWest]

I wish all vendors would either go the way that Audi Imperia did and have a fixed 250ms or at least publish in the manual the offsets

 

[KEM]

Been looking for this info myself for awhile, would be much appreciated to have it all in one place!

 

[darcvision]

i wonder what ms should i set for 8dio adagietto/adagio. i tried -250ms and i'm not sure if i'm satisfied with the results... also i heard people using auddict master woodwind with -120ms. i guess it would be a lot of experimentation to make it less sluggish.

 

[David Kudell]

Ok, here's a Google Sheets doc I have created. I'll be adding to it with instruments I have as I go. If you're interested in adding to it, let me know and I can give you write access.

I don't have the following, so if you want to add those values, let me know:
Vienna, East West, Audio Imperia, Musical Sampling, Infinite Series, Heavyocity, Cinesamples.

 

[mybadmemory]

I think this will work for some developers that are consistent with these things, but some are not. Spitfire for example usually differ, not just between instruments, but also between articulations, and even between velocity layers (by design though).