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Michael Giacchino to score The Batman

ryans said:
I wasn't a huge fan of the films either, or score, but it certainly did have a main theme didn't it? I mean, enough for me to remember on one viewing, I'm humming it right now.
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Yes there was a "Theme" but nothing that fit that universe. At least for me. There is nothing heroic or exploring the universe about it. It just meh.
 
I was looking through some old stuff I've uploaded and found this, I totally forgot I did it lol!! But rewatching it got me very excited for this film, one day I will score a Batman film...

 
Pier said:
Please don't suck. Please don't suck. Please don't suck.
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I have a lot of faith in this film. Will it be better than The Dark Knight? Of course not, that’s the greatest movie ever made. Will it be better than every other Marvel and DC film? It surely has the potential judging from the trailers!!
 
dcoscina said:
If there is one difference I hear between today's film composers and the ones from the Silver Age era, it's that the new breed is influenced by film scores whereas Williams, Herrmann, Goldsmith, Horner, etc etc were influenced by mid 20th century composers which informed their work. You can hear Berg and Varese in Planet of the Apes, Korngold in Williams' Superman and Hook, Mahler in Barry's string work, Ravel in Goldsmith's Legend, Prokofiev & Shosty in Horner's work (debatable about HOW much you can hear since some of it is literally copied but that's another topic). Part of it is because directors are temping their movies with other scores rather than classical music. But I also think this cannibalism is due in part to the newer generation not being fluent or cognizant of the modern orchestral masters. I could be wrong but aside from guys like Powell who openly admit they don't listen to film music, it seems to be a prevalent thing.

Additionally, thanks to modern technology and samples, I wonder how many composers have had time in front of a real group of musicians or have studied orchestration at all. Conrad Pope gave a terrific interview to ScoreCast a few years back discussing the pitfalls of MIDI composing. It was right on the money. It's amazing to hear a real orchestra and see how the different sections work, and even if you aren't given the opportunity to work with one, everybody composing using orchestral samples should seek out local groups to listen to, watch their rehearsals, go to large symphony concerts if you live close to a major city. Everyone can learn more about phrasing, balance, and structure by being exposed to these masterworks. And having a good sense of overall architecture is pivotal in producing a score that is dramatically effective and satisfying. Pieces that move from one idea to the next without any kind of development or variation make it hard to connect with. And I think to a degree this is what Giacchino suffers from- he might have a good idea but it's never really fleshed out the way Williams could take that opening motive from E.T. on piccolo and recap it in the finale with full orchestra which punctuated that film (and score!).
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Thanks for this - great advise
 
Cideboy said:
Thanks for this - great advise
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Happy to help! I just had a brass group read through some quintet pieces I composed and it was GOLD. I found things I needed to adjust to make the music more performable. Samples cannot do that for us. Yeah, they are always in tune and all that but having another human being perform one's music is a real eye-opening experience.

A little OT but I do think that the technology can obscure some of the music content at times. It's super beneficial to have the opportunity to get one's music read by musicians whenever possible.
 
KEM said:
I have a lot of faith in this film. Will it be better than The Dark Knight? Of course not, that’s the greatest movie ever made. Will it be better than every other Marvel and DC film? It surely has the potential judging from the trailers!!
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I'm calling it now: it will be better than anything DC has released since the Nolan films.
 
Pier said:
I'm calling it now: it will be better than anything DC has released since the Nolan films.
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Oh 100%, pretty much all the movies DC has put out post-Nolan have been terrible, and at best decent, this movie will blow them out of the water, I’m extremely excited
 
Pyro861 said:
Ave Maria goes to the imperial march. Holy Batman. What is this?
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Wish I could tell ya, I hate to say it but I think the weakest part of this film could end up being the music, the main theme they’ve been playing in all the trailers isn’t bad but it’s not coming close to Zimmer’s, he perfected the sound of Batman, even Elfman’s theme is much more memorable

It might grow on me and in context it might be great but so far I haven’t been impressed
 
KEM said:
Wish I could tell ya, I hate to say it but I think the weakest part of this film could end up being the music, the main theme they’ve been playing in all the trailers isn’t bad but it’s not coming close to Zimmer’s, he perfected the sound of Batman, even Elfman’s theme is much more memorable

It might grow on me and in context it might be great but so far I haven’t been impressed
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I like Zimmer batman too but it's Elfman's theme I get in the head when I think of batman. It's just a matter of taste though. What's the hidden link between Ave maria and batman? We must be missing something...?
 
Pyro861 said:
I like Zimmer batman too but it's Elfman's theme I get in the head when I think of batman. It's just a matter of taste though. What's the hidden link between Ave maria and batman? We must be missing something...?
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It could be a trailer thing like I said before, who knows, it might have a deeper connection to the story but I doubt it, trailers always use pop songs or famous orchestral arrangements mixed with damage loops and pre-written string runs
 
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