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Spitfire Audio “This is London Calling” - BBC Symphony Orchestra

hittjett said:
I hadn't even noticed the info in the plugin, or perhaps I should say "understood." When I looked at that, I only had a few things loaded, and I thought it was showing me the memory usage from just that patch. But it does indeed show 11.5 GB, so @christianhenson is correct (as he should be). However, this is rather misleading because it implies that you could run the whole orchestra with 16 GB. But this isn't the case. Using the template in Logic with Mix 1 requires 25 GB. I saw lots of people expressing delight at the 11.5 GB because they thought that they could run it on their 16 GB laptop. That ain't gonna happen.
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See my posts from a couple of weeks ago regarding my experiences with use on a 16GB machine using the Logic hybrid template (the two previous posts which give details are mentioned in this one)

Short version; you can indeed use it with 16GB but it depends on how you use it.
https://vi-control.net/community/th...ng”-bbc-symphony-orchestra.84345/post-4450915
 
gtrwll said:
Update improved performance on my setup, it still uses a lot of RAM, but there's something going on under the hood and it never reaches 100% even with a full template loaded. Load times are improved as well, or so it seems. Going to the right direction.
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Hi Janne :)

I know you have probably mentioned this before, but with the length of the topic it is hard to search back to find out, what is your workstation and DAW setup?

cheers

andy
 
cqd said:
Yeah..has anyone on windows, using Cubase or Pro tools, without using a wrapper/vepro, got it working correctly?

Anyone?..
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Me nope, yesterday I updated to 1.0.4 but still it's taking around 4 to 5 times more RAM than in the BBCSO indicator shown - with the corresponding load times (from SSD!).
Having a maschine unfortunately limited to 16 GB currently this means max 6 tracks which is ridiculous compared to any other libraries I own.
Maybe it's fine for those having 64 GB.
(And for me in future once I'm willing to take the drag of moving to another machine)

If it took only the amount of RAM as indicated in realitiy - that would be fine for me.
 
hittjett said:
However, this is rather misleading because it implies that you could run the whole orchestra with 16 GB. But this isn't the case. Using the template in Logic with Mix 1 requires 25 GB. I saw lots of people expressing delight at the 11.5 GB because they thought that they could run it on their 16 GB laptop. That ain't gonna happen.
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Further comment on this; watch the template video again, from 7’30” in, with the crucial part being at 9’50”. Christian clearly explains the difference between the plugin memory display and the amount of RAM Logic needs with it all loaded, which he states is 25.25GB.
Nothing misleading at all.

 
redlester said:
Further comment on this; watch the template video again, from 7’30” in, with the crucial part being at 9’50”. Christian clearly explains the difference between the plugin memory display and the amount of RAM Logic needs with it all loaded, which he states is 25.25GB.
Nothing misleading at all.

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But with Win10 and Cubase it eats up close to 128 GB and you still get popouts and cracks...
 
Simon Ravn said:
Sorry but none of this sounds remotely realistic. And I think it really underlines to me what seems to be the libraries biggest shortcoming: The long notes. Andy Blaneys impressive 1st piece rarely lingers on the same note for more than half a second and uses a lot of the short articulations. But when you try to do something slow it falls apart. This is especially true for woodwinds and strings. I haven't heard a single convincing emotional string line. I mean - just 3-4 notes connected that sound good! Christian's official piece also shows this problem. Legato sounds fake/bad and so do many of the sustains in general. And if you do something medium tempo, like you did with the Horner piece, it gets even worse because you get so much suction effect from the built-in (recorded) crescendos that seem to be in everything.

The shorts sound very good to amazing though! As shown in some videos and Andy Blaneys piece, they can really sound convincing and musical. This goes for woodwinds, strings and brass. And I think, had the brass had more dynamic layers, even the longs would have been very good.
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OK, so is this what other people think?
 
barteredbride said:
OK, so is this what other people think?
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Well, it is what some think. I would share Simon's view. BBCSO has a lot of shortcomings and I don't see it replacing my default libraries at all at this point. In fact, I'm wondering if I will ever fire it up again anytime soon since it cannot do mockups with the same level of detail my other libraries do.
 
barteredbride said:
OK, so is this what other people think?
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I am quite sure that library would not be my cup of tea since the spitfire video "can anyone create orchestral music". It's exactly what Simon is referring to - on the sustaining articulations the performance captured has to first evolve into its final sound. I don't always recognize such things in a mockup especially (in the example Simon was answering to I surely am noticing what he describes) since you can somewhat wiggle CCs around it. but I dislike the feel when playing with patches like that.
 
Sovereign said:
Well, it is what some think. I would share Simon's view. BBCSO has a lot of shortcomings and I don't see it replacing my default libraries at all at this point. In fact, I'm wondering if I will ever fire it up again anytime soon since it cannot do mockups with the same level of detail my other libraries do.
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What are your go to/default libraries?
 
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I made it out the other side without impulse buying. Really, it was because Spitfire didn't get back with my education discount approval in time. ;)

But I've delighted in hearing so many of these demos.
 
And again they focus on sound, not on performance techniques!
Yes, the libraries are different in both performance and sound, and they all sound good enough, so what? There is not much sense from this, for everything is limited only on short and long sustain. Mostly. In other words, everything is just different and for your tasks, something will work better, something worse. But what does it matter if a good legato is out of the question. Legato in all its forms is used in 80% of works, both classical and modern! Really, where is the desire for lively performance? What the hell is this symphonic then?! In BBSSO, the legato is hardly audible at all.

The Sable came out with their good ones, it should be noted with legato patches with their various types and speed control for transitions from note to note - time has passed. Runs patches for writing fast passages are still the best, leading in their field of Sable(now Spitfire Chamber Strings). And I'm interested in asking question. What happened to your genius who created and programmed this library? Why is the new libraries so shitty quality control? Why did you remove the handle for legato speed, and indeed, what was the reason for this? Why is there no speed control and types of legato in the new instruments and why are the runs no longer recorded and programmed as it was for Sable (SCS)? About their ignoring and indifference to the detache(Repeating Notes)in general I am silent.
sorry for my french
 
Vladimir Bulaev said:
And again they focus on sound, not on performance techniques!
Yes, the libraries are different in both performance and sound, and they all sound good enough, so what? There is not much sense from this, for everything is limited only on short and long sustain. Mostly. In other words, everything is just different and for your tasks, something will work better, something worse. But what does it matter if a good legato is out of the question. Legato in all its forms is used in 80% of works, both classical and modern! Really, where is the desire for lively performance? What the hell is this symphonic then?! In BBSSO, the legato is hardly audible at all.

The Sable came out with their good ones, it should be noted with legato patches with their various types and speed control for transitions from note to note - time has passed. Runs patches for writing fast passages are still the best, leading in their field of Sable(now Spitfire Chamber Strings). And I'm interested in asking question. What happened to your genius who created and programmed this library? Why is the new libraries so shitty quality control? Why did you remove the handle for legato speed, and indeed, what was the reason for this? Why is there no speed control and types of legato in the new instruments and why are the runs no longer recorded and programmed as it was for Sable (SCS)? About their ignoring and indifference to the detache(Repeating Notes)in general I am silent.
sorry for my french
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So, you don't like the British Broadcasting Corporation Symphonic Orchestra library then?
 
synkrotron said:
So, you don't like the British Broadcasting Corporation Symphonic Orchestra library then?
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I respect the spitfire team too much to say so directly about this, here on the forum. Still. 🙂
If you want, you'd better ask me about it in private conversation.
 
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redlester said:
See my posts from a couple of weeks ago regarding my experiences with use on a 16GB machine using the Logic hybrid template (the two previous posts which give details are mentioned in this one)

Short version; you can indeed use it with 16GB but it depends on how you use it.
https://vi-control.net/community/threads/spitfire-audio-“this-is-london-calling”-bbc-symphony-orchestra.84345/post-4450915
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redlester said:
Further comment on this; watch the template video again, from 7’30” in, with the crucial part being at 9’50”. Christian clearly explains the difference between the plugin memory display and the amount of RAM Logic needs with it all loaded, which he states is 25.25GB.
Nothing misleading at all.

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And this is the critical key to loading instances, he clearly explains this (as you mentioned). Once you load an instance, simply remove (trash) all of the other articulations. After he did this for the entire trailer template, it was well under 2GB in the player, and 7.5 GB for the whole Logic session. This is exactly how I have set up my first template, and I can now load quite a bit.
 
PC performance issues aside, I think some folk have lost perspective on what BBCSO is.

Remember, it's the complete orchestra. Plus solo strings. Plus a couple of instruments yet to come. Plus a million mic options. For around £700 at the sale price. Yes - other products have more dynamic layers, adjustments, round robins etc, but they also cost a lot more. Take your pick, etc.
 
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