lp59burst
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I think you may have missed the main thrust of his post... from my reading of it he's saying sound over sight... the "secret" part seems to be more of an "oh and by the way..." point
Spitfire Audio “This is London Calling” - BBC Symphony Orchestra
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jbuhler
Senior Member
Yes, it’s worked fine with SSDs. i avoid running them through hubs and try to distribute my most often used libraries across drives. I don’t know if that is necessary.
Sovereign
Senior Member
Nothing was missed, that seemed more of an easy way out to not tell specifics, a deflection. It's not a secret but we're not telling you anyway because "we" don't think it matters. That would be disappointing if that's the real stance. They might as well come out now and say they will not reveal details about dynamics, which as far as I'm concerned is a major thing.
JohnG
Senior Member
I am surprised by what some people focus on when buying a library.
I listen to the demos, carefully, through good speakers and sometimes headphones. That's pretty much it.
I doubt that every single instrument has the same specs regarding legato, velocity layers, and all that. For any library company -- EW, 8dio, SF, Audiobro -- documenting all that and keeping it accurate enough to avoid fusses -- too much brain damage.
I keep buying from companies that put out libraries that sound great when I'm writing a whole piece. I don't really care how many layers there are. There are some libraries with tons of layers that, nevertheless, sound artificial when writing for a full orchestral or orchestral-plus piece.
So at this point I've had awesome results with a few companies, including Spitfire, EW, Spectrasonics, and a few others, and so I trust them and buy if the demo hits something I don't have.
The biggest advantage I'm thinking here is collaboration.
I listen to the demos, carefully, through good speakers and sometimes headphones. That's pretty much it.
I doubt that every single instrument has the same specs regarding legato, velocity layers, and all that. For any library company -- EW, 8dio, SF, Audiobro -- documenting all that and keeping it accurate enough to avoid fusses -- too much brain damage.
I keep buying from companies that put out libraries that sound great when I'm writing a whole piece. I don't really care how many layers there are. There are some libraries with tons of layers that, nevertheless, sound artificial when writing for a full orchestral or orchestral-plus piece.
So at this point I've had awesome results with a few companies, including Spitfire, EW, Spectrasonics, and a few others, and so I trust them and buy if the demo hits something I don't have.
The biggest advantage I'm thinking here is collaboration.
Zedcars
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Yes, I have too much time on my hands and should get on with writing music and stop posting crap.
This is post 2434.
Thread post record = 3199.
Difference of 765.
Therefore, 766 replies required to break the longest thread record.
Average post per day within this thread = 2434/42 = 58.
Approx no. of days until record broken = 766/58 = 13.21
Rounded up = approx 14 days (+- 2 for post fluctuation) until longest thread record broken.
Estimation of thread length on release day = 38 (days) x 58 (post av.) + 2434 = 4638
Yes, I have too much time on my hands and should get on with writing music and stop posting crap.
Karma
Spitfire Audio
Very much real!
Noeticus
Motion Picture Producer
Thanks, plus that's what I thought, but wish was written on the articulation page.
jononotbono
Luke Johnson
This. No regrets yet. Some stuff gets used more than other things but it all gets used if it’s needed. This BBCSO is going to be a fantastic addition to the musical arsenal!
christianhenson
Senior Member
Very much looking forward to sharing session files for the first time... I'm going to try a hybrid piece with it where everything is BBCSO, even the synthy, bass stuff and by keeping it all native to logic anyone with BBCSO and Logic should be able to load it... We're setting something up as a go-to for all this additional material, more news next week... Right I'm off to tidy my trailer music so when I share it you don't see all my horrid little errors.
I also agree with JohnG.
At one point, it was probably useful to know all the dynamic/round robin counts in a library, but it seems to get less common for developers to specify this stuff as VI's become more advanced.
I tend to think it's now a given that each playing style will be sampled with as much detail as necessary to create a reasonably playable and expressive patch. The ultimate test of this is, of course, just how the thing sounds. The demos so far tell me that this virtual orchestra is quite expressive.
I would expect BBCSO to be in line with most others on this. 3 or 4 for regular longs and shorts, 2 for the more "niche" sounds, and 1 for those that realistically only have a single "dynamic layer" in the real world. The RR count is clearly indicated on a number of short patches in the videos we've seen.
At one point, it was probably useful to know all the dynamic/round robin counts in a library, but it seems to get less common for developers to specify this stuff as VI's become more advanced.
I tend to think it's now a given that each playing style will be sampled with as much detail as necessary to create a reasonably playable and expressive patch. The ultimate test of this is, of course, just how the thing sounds. The demos so far tell me that this virtual orchestra is quite expressive.
I would expect BBCSO to be in line with most others on this. 3 or 4 for regular longs and shorts, 2 for the more "niche" sounds, and 1 for those that realistically only have a single "dynamic layer" in the real world. The RR count is clearly indicated on a number of short patches in the videos we've seen.
mikeh-375
old school
It looks like me and a few others are in the minority at this point re. dynamic layers. A glance through any score tells the true story, so I'll hold out hope that one day it'll be done well enough to achieve maximum expression in a more realistic and musical way. I'm guessing @miket is right about what we can expect so it'll be back to our ol friend CC11....yes, yes, I know none of it's real, but it could all be better, why settle for less?...still, why the evasions?
ERIC VALETTE
New Member
@christianhenson I noticed that in the old non-detailed version of the list of articulations and in the videos on the construction of the trailer and the demo of Andy Blaney, it was a question of a trumpets a2 patch. In the detailed list of articulations, it is now mentioned a3. What about in the end?
If both versions exist, could we benefit in the end, which would be very useful in terms of choice of orchestration...
Thank you for your clarifications and congratulations already for this exciting new product! 
If both versions exist, could we benefit in the end, which would be very useful in terms of choice of orchestration...
Thank you for your clarifications and congratulations already for this exciting new product! 
babylonwaves
Darth Fader
i was biting my tongue when I saw all the comments re. number of layers and RRs. in fact, i have absolutely no clue as for those specs in all the libs I own. i simply don't care. all that counts for me is that it feels and sounds right. and i know a couple of libs with impressive specs which are just useless in the real world, at least for me. spitfire libs are not among those.
Alex Fraser
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Great to hear about the community sharing repository. I’m looking at doing a full on Christmas track for which I’ll share the logic files. Hence my insistence that the library has sleigh and tubular bells. Which it does. 
Zedcars
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Re: this no. of dynamic layers and RR question:
Isn’t it more a question of having enough information to decide to purchase based on whether you feel this library will fit your needs?
Perhaps impressive demos are not enough. Personally I find the information provided and the demos compelling enough for me to have already preordered. But if you are still on the fence and would like to have more detailed info, perhaps it would help make a good decision.
Isn’t it more a question of having enough information to decide to purchase based on whether you feel this library will fit your needs?
Perhaps impressive demos are not enough. Personally I find the information provided and the demos compelling enough for me to have already preordered. But if you are still on the fence and would like to have more detailed info, perhaps it would help make a good decision.
jamwerks
Senior Member
In addition to the usual walk-through, I'd love to see a video with some short idiomatic examples (reworked & polished rather than just live playing), that really showcase the express-ability of the library. The two biggies are Horns & Trumpets from pp to FF, there are so many timbral possibilities here. Also String FF melodies like in 8dio Agitato Grandioso. And very soft melodies on Flutes & Clarinets.
Also simulating grace note figures with the legato, and lastly showing how controlable the short notes are (length wise via the release trails). Those are the "layer-specs" I'm interested in!
Also simulating grace note figures with the legato, and lastly showing how controlable the short notes are (length wise via the release trails). Those are the "layer-specs" I'm interested in!
barteredbride
Hello and hola...a Brit in Spain
Re: dynamic layers. Orchestral Tools berlin oboe in the expansion pack, is only ONE single dynamic layer (mf), but that patch regulary wins votes for the most expressive oboe out there.
So it's not that the most dynamic layers possible = more realism.
It's more about how it was recorded, the player, the scripting, etc. And yes, your ears are the best judge. I don't think i've ever seen a Spitfire walkthrough that wasn't honest about what the library can and can't do.
So it's not that the most dynamic layers possible = more realism.
It's more about how it was recorded, the player, the scripting, etc. And yes, your ears are the best judge. I don't think i've ever seen a Spitfire walkthrough that wasn't honest about what the library can and can't do.
synthetic
Senior Member
8dio also has great patches with a single dynamic layer and programmed/filtered dynamics from that. I think "specs" like that and library size miss the point.
My new acid test is repeated notes in legato. If you play the same note twice, does it go "nnah-dah" or "nnah-nnyaah"? Seems obvious but almost every library I own has this problem. (I guess few companies record "0 semitone" transitions?)
My new acid test is repeated notes in legato. If you play the same note twice, does it go "nnah-dah" or "nnah-nnyaah"? Seems obvious but almost every library I own has this problem. (I guess few companies record "0 semitone" transitions?)
