Symphony Series - Percussion
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zoilreb
The Fantastic Mr Zoilreb
It comes out of nowhere! Thanks for the news!
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novaburst
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That was a surprise, I feel it should have come a little sooner or more clustered a long with the strings, wood winds and brass,
But well done to NI
So NI are now selling the symphony series as a whole suite now, hmm a little bit like Eastwest Hollywood Orchestra, I think this is a top notch orchestra, but I think someone should remind them there is no solo strings in the string symphony,
But well done to NI
So NI are now selling the symphony series as a whole suite now, hmm a little bit like Eastwest Hollywood Orchestra, I think this is a top notch orchestra, but I think someone should remind them there is no solo strings in the string symphony,
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sostenuto
AKA _ doubtingtom37
Agree !! Sure ..many factors play into these NI decisions, but in this case it cost a large order from me .
Summer Sale just ended recently. Had this been 'previewed' it would definitely have pushed me over the top for ALL of Symphony Series (at that great price of $450.).... then a no-brainer to add this Percussion ...
novaburst
Senior Member
The percussion is very detailed, could become a favourite when viewers note how comprehensive it is they have done a great job.
Great price for cross graders but like me many would have picked up a few of the symphony series early on, so it will be a no go for many, but for those looking for a complete comprehensive powerful orchestra this will be a great buy.
MChangoM
Member
For the record, I am a very mediocre composer. I probably don't even rise to the level of mediocre. But I really like the NI Symphony Series - it is a much better library than I am a composer if that makes sense. I have never yet felt that a composition would have been improved with one of the more highly-regarded libraries. When and if that day comes .....
playz123
Senior Member
I have the lighter versions of the libraries in the series...they came with KU11, but don't use them very much, as I don't feel they stand up well to products from other developers that are more to my liking. Just a personal opinion of course. However I did like what I saw and heard with the new Percussion, so am downloading it now...it spite of my reluctance to spend more money before new products from other companies are released in the near future. 
muziksculp
Senior Member
Macpro video has a new tutorial title showcasing the NI Symphony Essentials Libraries. Which come bundled with Komplete 11 Ultimate.
https://www.macprovideo.com/tutorial/symphony-essentials-101-symphony-essentials-explored
https://www.macprovideo.com/tutorial/symphony-essentials-101-symphony-essentials-explored
zoilreb
The Fantastic Mr Zoilreb
I'm surprise too. Ok the other sections may have been not at the level of the the best competitors, but this one sound seriously good from the walkthroughs.
I was hopping some feedbacks from the ones which can buy it cheaper... Maybe everyone is in holiday
MChangoM
Member
I was hopping some feedbacks from the ones which can buy it cheaper... Maybe everyone is in holiday
One of the few disadvantages of living out in the sticks
sostenuto
AKA _ doubtingtom37
Soooo.. since you have LADD, how does this 'fit', and do you feel it's a strong addition regardless of LADD ??One of the few disadvantages of living out in the sticks
Still bordering on nauseous having not picked SF Joby Burgess 'REDUX' Percussion, but honestly can't explain why.
WindcryMusic
Senior Member
I got one of those deep discount codes in my email from NI, bringing the price down to only $49, so I've taken a chance on buying it even though I am well equipped for percussion libraries with APE, HZ01/03, Damage, Heavyocity Master Sessions, etc. Many of the SSP demos sounds pretty wet to me, but I am hopeful that the availability of both close and spot mics will allow some flexibility on that, and several of the included instruments (e.g., the field drum) seem like they may fill some gaps in my suite of percussion instruments. I also am interested in some of the unique round robin handling (separate round robins for strikes on an already resonating drum), as well as the articulations for hitting drums in different areas of the head.
Once I've had a chance to do some real head-to-head* comparisons, I'll consider posting my thoughts about the library.
* ha, and I wrote this without even considering the extra appropriateness of the phrase for comparing drum libraries.
Once I've had a chance to do some real head-to-head* comparisons, I'll consider posting my thoughts about the library.
* ha, and I wrote this without even considering the extra appropriateness of the phrase for comparing drum libraries.
MChangoM
Member
There is only one reason why I went for this new library: $49. Will it displace or augment LADD? I'll force myself to use it in my next composition to see.
zoilreb
The Fantastic Mr Zoilreb
hey ! Let us know in twelve hours then !One of the few disadvantages of living out in the sticks
Reid Rosefelt
aka Tiger the Frog
Note that the instruments in the NI Symphony Series libraries were developed in collaboration with three companies:
Brass & Woodwinds - Soundiron
Strings - Audiobro (LASS & LADD)
Percussion - Sonuscore (The Orchestra, Action Strikes, Action Strings, Emotive Strings)
Brass & Woodwinds - Soundiron
Strings - Audiobro (LASS & LADD)
Percussion - Sonuscore (The Orchestra, Action Strikes, Action Strings, Emotive Strings)
WindcryMusic
Senior Member
I've now had a brief play around with SSP, and compared a few of the instruments to other libraries that I own, and while it is by no means a replacement for those other libraries, I can see myself using SSP for some purposes.
At least out of the box, without external processing, I'd say it is far less of an "epic" library than APE, Damage or HZ03 (I compared it to HZ03 rather than HZ01 because SSP appears to be comprised of solo instruments). I would describe it as sounding "natural", perhaps even "intimate", but maybe a little bit "boxy" or "midrangy" at times. I'm very impressed by the round robins and good number of velocity layers ... manually playing crescendos on the snare, for example, is pretty smooth by comparison to something like Damage or Stormdrum.
In the area of articulations, it is well ahead of HZ03, though not quite up to APE's level (at least in the variety of types of hits, although it provides a few things that APE doesn't, too). The default stereo mix is quite wet, but the individual mic positions are nicely distinct from one another, with the close mic being quite dry but still wide, while the spot mic is mono and almost a desert. By mixing in a healthy amount of close and spot with lesser amounts of mid and far mics, I was able to get a sound that I was pretty pleased with overall.
In summary, the programming seems to be of a high quality, the samples are pretty decent if a little small-sounding, and the UI has the usual beauty of the Symphony Series instruments. Especially considering the bargain price I got it for (thank you NI!), it should prove to have been well worth my modest investment.
EDIT: I rendered a quick example using one fairly representative instrument, a high-tuned snare drum, against similar drums from four other libraries (APE, HZ03, Stormdrum and Damage, in that order, with SSP heard first). I tweaked the velocities a bit for each, and added a little bit of Valhalla Room to the last two since they are naturally more dry libraries. Maybe this will be helpful to someone, so here it is ...
At least out of the box, without external processing, I'd say it is far less of an "epic" library than APE, Damage or HZ03 (I compared it to HZ03 rather than HZ01 because SSP appears to be comprised of solo instruments). I would describe it as sounding "natural", perhaps even "intimate", but maybe a little bit "boxy" or "midrangy" at times. I'm very impressed by the round robins and good number of velocity layers ... manually playing crescendos on the snare, for example, is pretty smooth by comparison to something like Damage or Stormdrum.
In the area of articulations, it is well ahead of HZ03, though not quite up to APE's level (at least in the variety of types of hits, although it provides a few things that APE doesn't, too). The default stereo mix is quite wet, but the individual mic positions are nicely distinct from one another, with the close mic being quite dry but still wide, while the spot mic is mono and almost a desert. By mixing in a healthy amount of close and spot with lesser amounts of mid and far mics, I was able to get a sound that I was pretty pleased with overall.
In summary, the programming seems to be of a high quality, the samples are pretty decent if a little small-sounding, and the UI has the usual beauty of the Symphony Series instruments. Especially considering the bargain price I got it for (thank you NI!), it should prove to have been well worth my modest investment.
EDIT: I rendered a quick example using one fairly representative instrument, a high-tuned snare drum, against similar drums from four other libraries (APE, HZ03, Stormdrum and Damage, in that order, with SSP heard first). I tweaked the velocities a bit for each, and added a little bit of Valhalla Room to the last two since they are naturally more dry libraries. Maybe this will be helpful to someone, so here it is ...
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galactic orange
Sensor Number
I'm a K11U owner. I have the brass and strings. The discount deal I got makes the bundle cost a lot higher than if I owned the woodwinds as well.
"Because of the products you already own, you qualify for the special crossgrade price of $599 (regular price $999). Available now at the NI Online Shop."
I have a crossgrade price for just the percussion at $199 when I log in to the NI site. I passed on the woodwinds during the summer sale which I could have gotten for $75 on crossgrade.
After having the brass and strings for so long, there's no way I can justify paying $599 for the bundle when others are paying only $49 for the percussion. I wish the pricing was a little more proportional for those of us who were one library short of the whole bundle. Pass. I'll put my money toward Cinematic Studio Percussion when it's out instead.
"Because of the products you already own, you qualify for the special crossgrade price of $599 (regular price $999). Available now at the NI Online Shop."
I have a crossgrade price for just the percussion at $199 when I log in to the NI site. I passed on the woodwinds during the summer sale which I could have gotten for $75 on crossgrade.
After having the brass and strings for so long, there's no way I can justify paying $599 for the bundle when others are paying only $49 for the percussion. I wish the pricing was a little more proportional for those of us who were one library short of the whole bundle. Pass. I'll put my money toward Cinematic Studio Percussion when it's out instead.
sostenuto
AKA _ doubtingtom37
Yeah !! Similar .. darn loyal NI User. KU11, S-49, other xxx .....
Proportional is a great descriptor !! Easy for global providers to broad-brush almost everything and ignore 'huge' _ bottom-of-the-pyramid user base _ whose total contribution to _ bottom line _ is significant.
The more 'global' things get, one-size-fits-all becomes the RULE ...
