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Buyout rights and PRO

Hello everyone,

Just a quick question regarding rights. Let's assume I composed a video game soundtrack and it's an usual buyout rights contract with the game developer. Now, let's assume the PRS contacts me and claims they have some money collected from the usage of the soundtrack's music. The questions is - if that's a buyout between me and the game developer, then do I have the right to claim the royalties or should PRS contact the developer?

Cheers,
Michal
 
Not an expert - so be cautious of my answer.

What are the royalties for? publishing, writers etcetc?

If it was a full buyout - the game developer owns everything - so the registrations at the PRO should be on the developer, not you, since you sold the copyright and everything else.

As said - this concern very delicate rights - so do not act on my post - call your lawyer and ask him about it.
 
Hello everyone,

Just a quick question regarding rights. Let's assume I composed a video game soundtrack and it's an usual buyout rights contract with the game developer. Now, let's assume the PRS contacts me and claims they have some money collected from the usage of the soundtrack's music. The questions is - if that's a buyout between me and the game developer, then do I have the right to claim the royalties or should PRS contact the developer?

Cheers,
Michal
If you are a PRS member, and they administer the rights for the territory you are talking about, it is illegal for you to do a buyout. The most that you can give away is the Publishing. Therefore you should register the music anyway, and the Writers' share is 100% yours.
 
let's assume the PRS contacts me and claims they have some money collected from the usage of the soundtrack's music

I'll assume I'm at 35,000 ft on my flying pig then. Even the idea of the PRS actively trying to contact a member to assist them is alien to me. Basically the way it works is - you chase them - you take a number - get in line and await a response from a teenage work experience kid who asks if your song has been played on radio 1. You will explain that it's a track from a computer game but the music was used in a broadcast TV ad campaign, and that it's never been on the radio and would never be. They'll ask you what the "song" was called, who sang it and if it was in the charts... You might chat about XFM for a minute or two.
 
I'll assume I'm at 35,000 ft on my flying pig then. Even the idea of the PRS actively trying to contact a member to assist them is alien to me.

That's because you don't earn enough...! The big earners have their own PRS manager with a direct line. :dancedance:
 
If you are a PRS member, and they administer the rights for the territory you are talking about, it is illegal for you to do a buyout. The most that you can give away is the Publishing. Therefore you should register the music anyway, and the Writers' share is 100% yours.

Daryl - are you sure that buyout in this case means that Michal's contract says that he gets a sync fee and NOTHING else? B/c usually, a buyout means that:

1) The production co. has exclusive rights to this music (composer can not do anything else with the music, at least not w/o permission)
2) The composer is paid x-$ in sync fee
3) The production co. keeps 100% publishing
4) The composer keeps 100% writers

There are however, always variants. Michal, what does your contract say?
 
If you are a PRS member, and they administer the rights for the territory you are talking about, it is illegal for you to do a buyout. The most that you can give away is the Publishing. Therefore you should register the music anyway, and the Writers' share is 100% yours.

Hmmmm, not sure I agree with that. The last film I did, the music was a buyout. They now own the publishing and full ownership (which is typical, no?).
 
Hmmmm, not sure I agree with that. The last film I did, the music was a buyout. They now own the publishing and full ownership (which is typical, no?).
It doesn't matter whether you agree or not. It's a fact. If you are PRS member, you should have read the T & C before you joined. If not, it doesn't apply to you.
 
Daryl - are you sure that buyout in this case means that Michal's contract says that he gets a sync fee and NOTHING else? B/c usually, a buyout means that:

1) The production co. has exclusive rights to this music (composer can not do anything else with the music, at least not w/o permission)
2) The composer is paid x-$ in sync fee
3) The production co. keeps 100% publishing
4) The composer keeps 100% writers

There are however, always variants. Michal, what does your contract say?

Not sure what you're asking, Jeff?
 
It's semantics, no? The composer just assumes a "buyout" means giving up their royalties when in fact it's often "work-for-hire" where you give up ownership but still retain 100% writer's royalties. Just because you sold the rights to the cue doesn't mean you give up royalties... I see a lot of confusion with this.

Yes, that ^

It can be a "buyout", whereas the composer still collects the writers share, no?

Unless the contract says that the production owns the pub AND the writers, which:

1) As you say Daryl is, AFAIU, illegal in the UK and/or in violation of PRS' TOS
2) A contract I would never sign - nor should any composer .... save for those who enjoy getting bent over the table and fucked.

Cheers.
 
Sure, but if it never airs, or gets shelved, etc, you end up with nothing extra...and cannot use the music again anywhere else.
 
Clearly I do not! When I open my distribution statement pdf a little animation of tumbleweed runs across the bottom of my screen... that's normal, right?
For mere mortals, yes. Having said that, the days of the huge payouts are gone, for most people, I think. The market is so crowded and the actual income hasn't increased enough to match.
 
Yes, which is cool. I just pity the fools that do it for "exposure" (been there, done that, got the t-shirt).
Agreed. Anyone, aspiring to be a professional, who works for nothing must have an end date in mind, and a good reason for doing so. They must also realise that once they've worked for someone without payment, that person will never pay them in the future either.
 
Yes, that ^

It can be a "buyout", whereas the composer still collects the writers share, no?

Unless the contract says that the production owns the pub AND the writers, which:

1) As you say Daryl is, AFAIU, illegal in the UK and/or in violation of PRS' TOS
2) A contract I would never sign - nor should any composer .... save for those who enjoy getting bent over the table and fucked.

Cheers.

Yes But.

The "but" is that if you sign a "work for hire" with no other terms (not typical) you surrender ALL rights, including your right to the composer's share. While outrageous and maybe illegal, nevertheless it's not at all uncommon, sadly.

What Jeff is getting at, however, is the fairly typical practice of a composer contract doing some of the following:

1. Starts with the all-enveloping "work for hire" language. Often this is then added to with so-called belt-and-suspenders clauses (US terms -- not weird here...) that say more or less the same thing over and over: "We, the production company, own your output."

THEN...

...there will be something like, "notwithstanding the foregoing" or "notwithstanding anything to the contrary herein"

2. The production company concedes back to you the writer's share from the PRO,

3. The production company concedes to you some share of revenues from a number of ancillary sources: audio recordings / downloads, sheet music (ha), and sometimes other stuff.

So you have to be sure that the latter stuff does, in fact, get conceded back to you or you will have an uphill battle on it. Even if the law as passed by a legislature is clear on this, case law (judicial decisions -- where the rubber hits the road interpreting those laws) is not necessarily going to bail you out if you make a bad deal.

Good luck out there. You can always try substituting a "sync license" instead of this buyout stuff. Generally, a sync license allows the production company to use (synchronise) your music with the picture (and typically any trailer) for a fee. They also get to use your name and likeness, and they may want to be able to use the music without paying in any sequel. BUT, with a sync license you don't transfer copyright, you can sell the soundtrack if you want and you can reuse the material.

And, since you own the copyright and the recordings, theoretically you also get the Publisher's share of royalties from the PRO, though that can be negotiated as well (they may want it and it's tough not to argue that they should get it if they pay you a fee and / or pay for recording costs). You can even reach a deal where they get listed as the publisher solely when the particular picture gets aired and you get the publishing after that, for anything else.

There can be holdback periods as well, and other terms with sync licenses, but they are still less onerous typically than work for hire.

It's sometimes possible to use a sync license if the money is terrible enough, but not usually (ever?) for a TV network or big studio, no matter how terrible the money is.

Kind regards,

John

PS -- Buy a book, if you want to really learn this stuff: This Business of Music or check out ASCAP or BMI -- they have info on it too.
 
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To mangle Churchill's famous quote:

Never give up your writer's share, never never never, never - in nothing, great or small, large or petty, never give up your writer's share.

Once we give up sync and writer's share, production music for composers is finished.

P.S. I also recommend telling them you'll grant them a sync license, but you retain ownership. Make the license exclusive if you want, but for a decent $ amount.
 
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