Windows 10 settings / stuff you can turn off for music?

merlinhimself

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does anyone know with disabling c-state and other power saving features, are there any dangers to be aware of? such as hibernating the pc etc. My last PC i turned them all off, and basically put the computer to sleep every night. My CPU died after about 4 months. Now I either shut off or leave on, but was always curious if the sleep mode is what did it.
 
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JohnG

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does anyone know with disabling c-state and other power saving features, are there any dangers to be aware of? such as hibernating the pc etc. My last PC i turned them all off, and basically put the computer to sleep every night. My CPU died after about 4 months. Now I either shut off or leave on, but was always curious if the sleep mode is what did it.
? IDK about what happened with your computer.

I turn off C-states on all PCs for music and they've been running that way for a long time. That's not the same as turning off every safety feature that prevents overheating, but the C-states are a power-saving gambit, so we don't want that.
 
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merlinhimself

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? IDK about what happened with your computer.

I turn off C-states on all PCs for music and they've been running that way for a long time. That's not the same as turning off every safety feature that prevents overheating, but the C-states are a power-saving gambit, so we don't want that.
It may have been a freak thing that happened, never really got to the bottom of it but have always been paranoid about my PC since then haha. I guess I meant that during sleep mode, the PC is put into a low power mode, so does C-State have anything to do with keeping it stable then?
 
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JohnG

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It may have been a freak thing that happened, never really got to the bottom of it but have always been paranoid about my PC since then haha. I guess I meant that during sleep mode, the PC is put into a low power mode, so does C-State have anything to do with keeping it stable then?
I'm no expert. you could probably find out more in ten seconds on Wikipedia than I know.

I do turn them off, however. There's a lot of power management, in the Bios and elsewhere, that we don't want for what we do. If you're managing a big spreadsheet or video where you can have a buffer then that's fine -- then managing power makes sense.

I put solar panels on the roof to assuage my guilt at using all this power and go all the way.
 

Ben

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so does C-State have anything to do with keeping it stable then?

No it has not. It turns parts of the core off, to save power. This is a really usefull feature for notebooks and office computer to save energy. But it is a killer for real-time audio, because the core needs a few cycles to wake up from a low-power state.
Audio workloads are also very variable in load, so worst case the cores of the your CPU cycle through the power states and burn cycles that no longer are able to compute audio information, leading to delays and worst case pops and clicks.
 

kitekrazy

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does anyone know with disabling c-state and other power saving features, are there any dangers to be aware of? such as hibernating the pc etc. My last PC i turned them all off, and basically put the computer to sleep every night. My CPU died after about 4 months. Now I either shut off or leave on, but was always curious if the sleep mode is what did it.
That's odd. It was probably defective. Sleep mode is useless for desktops. I just turn mine off. Electricity is expensive where I live.
 

chimuelo

Star Of Stage & Screen
Just found out my Windows 10 PCs need to check in with mommy (M$oft) every week, and go online so Windows 10 can see the ISP is connected.

Haven’t updated or been online Since Kontakt 6.

Seems Windows starts seeking files in the background and can use 20-30% of your CPU as it seeks certain data it can’t find.

Thought maybe my i7 needed to be replaced or just update the whole PC. I beat these PCs up programming, practicing, rehearsing and performing night and day.

This comes from a reputable software engineer and IT pro.
Tested with high polyphony and no more pops and cracks.
Very few but never had this before. Glad he told me which updates to pick.
I’m way behind, but rather than use the latest take 1 step at a time for the next several weeks.

then hook up once a week. Even if no updates are there the connection to mommy seems to soothe the beast.
 

URL

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Could it be possible to switch off the Mommy thing in Win10 in Gpedit?
I switch off for ex. virus protec. in Gpedit
 

Ben

VSL
Seems Windows starts seeking files in the background and can use 20-30% of your CPU as it seeks certain data it can’t find.
Have you tried disabling the file-indexing for all drives?
Also pausing all Cloud storeage services (OneDrive, DropBox, ...) during working with audio helps a lot.
 

chimuelo

Star Of Stage & Screen
I’ll ask him since he’s the chap who designed my integration software.
For now I know this is an easy fix just by plugging it in weekly.

Reminds me of the Mexican Avacados.

When you make the Guacamole dip it lasts a long time and stays fresh and green as long as the Seed is with the Dip.
Take away the Seed and the Guacamole goes brown.
My Grandma called the seed the baby.

I asked him if monthly would be okay because I travel for weeks sometimes.
He said weekly.
 

Rob Elliott

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Just found out my Windows 10 PCs need to check in with mommy (M$oft) every week, and go online so Windows 10 can see the ISP is connected.

Haven’t updated or been online Since Kontakt 6.

Seems Windows starts seeking files in the background and can use 20-30% of your CPU as it seeks certain data it can’t find.

Thought maybe my i7 needed to be replaced or just update the whole PC. I beat these PCs up programming, practicing, rehearsing and performing night and day.

This comes from a reputable software engineer and IT pro.
Tested with high polyphony and no more pops and cracks.
Very few but never had this before. Glad he told me which updates to pick.
I’m way behind, but rather than use the latest take 1 step at a time for the next several weeks.

then hook up once a week. Even if no updates are there the connection to mommy seems to soothe the beast.
Sorry if I am missing the recommendation but do we leave our PC's (4 in my case) disconnected from the internet and THEN once a week reconnect to get updates (then disconnect again until 7 days)? Repeat and Rinse.
 

Tod

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I have a duel boot system with both Win-10 and Win-7. I use Win-7 all the time so I don't open Win-10 except occasionally.

To make a long story short, my Win-10 password is always old and out of date, so I'm forced to make a new one. Is there a way to turn that off?

In fact I would rather have it so that I don't need a password at all, is there a way to do that?
 

chimuelo

Star Of Stage & Screen
Sorry if I am missing the recommendation but do we leave our PC's (4 in my case) disconnected from the internet and THEN once a week reconnect to get updates (then disconnect again until 7 days)? Repeat and Rinse.
So it seems. I never noticed until recently, called the GuRu and after a few questions he explained what might be the problem.

In my case he was right as I run high polyphony and never had any issues. Thought I heard slight distortions at first, but they grew into cracks and pops.
Re connected via ISP #2 and then re tested and for 2 days now it’s back to new.

And thanks Brotha’ Man Tod. I’m going to do dual boots on my 7 and 8.1 rigs at the first sign of software obsolescence. NI’s recent Legacy announcement was a shot across the bow. I’m sure it’s a snapshot of things to come.
 

Tod

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And thanks Brotha’ Man Tod. I’m going to do dual boots on my 7 and 8.1 rigs at the first sign of software obsolescence. NI’s recent Legacy announcement was a shot across the bow. I’m sure it’s a snapshot of things to come.
Hi chimuelo, I setup my dual boot back when they first came out with the free Win-10. I knew the day would come.

I've got both my Win-7 pro & Win-10 pro on separate SSD drives.
 

I like music

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Holy mother of THOR! I am SO glad I checked this thread. I put my sample drive into exclusion from Windows defender.

My template load time went from 13 minutes to 3 minutes.

I do not think my wife understands why I'm so happy. So I'm hoping you can celebrate with me...!
 

chimuelo

Star Of Stage & Screen
Best news I heard all week Mr. I like Music.....

Yeah, separate Storage devices and Dual boot is something I’ll run by my techie friend and see what he thinks.
He hated Windows for years but it was in between 95 and 8.1 that chapped his ass. He actually loves Windows 10 after he disables the excess gunk.

No IRQ sharing issues, lots of great benefits after a tortuous roll out.
I remember many friends doing the “free” upgrade that froze @ 99%....

One guy borrowed my Gigastudio DAW, an old Supermicro P4SCT+II with a 3.4GHz Northwood since it was strings, EPianos, brass and Grand Pianos.
He now has a spare or two.

Stay Safe Gents..