Why does the Infinite Series get so little attention??

servandus

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Thanks a lot to everyone for uploading those audio clips and demos. Makes it a lot easier to get a clearer picture of the library when you can hear it in the hands of different users.

I was a composer long before I was a developer and the existing products have people who have paid for them with their hard-earned cash, and I feel it's my sacred duty to update these first rather than release new stuff when the existing products can be updated.
Hats off.

Nearly two years later, I'm constantly learning new stuff (some day I might write a paper about the whole thing).
Please do! I'm sure it will be extremely interesting for many of us.

I know that's not what you're used to in this industry but I built the whole thing from the ground up with everyday tweaking in mind because that's what I wanted when I was just a composer. Your words will be heard, answered to and very likely acted upon here.

So whether you're a user or just an interested party, send in your concerns, thoughts and critique. If you have something to say, I would be absolutely thrilled to talk to you. And really, folks, keep being great.
Sold. You can count me among your users very soon. Leaving aside the quality of the libraries, there's probably nothing I value more in a developer than this attitude of cooperation with the users. But I warn you: my wife's a flutist... :whistling: ... ;)

Keep up the good work!
 

El Buhdai

New Member
Sold. You can count me among your users very soon. Leaving aside the quality of the libraries, there's probably nothing I value more in a developer than this attitude of cooperation with the users. But I warn you: my wife's a flutist... :whistling: ... ;)

Keep up the good work!
If that's what you value, look no further than this. I've had fairly extensive correspondence with him for about a month sending feedback and ideas. He's very receptive and very much an open book. Even with some of the problems I have with the tone of some of the instruments, these are still my favorite libraries for their respective sections (especially the woodwinds) just for the simple fact that they sound so musical when you write for them. That, to me, is more important than a 100% authentic tone.

I know I put my money in the right hands. I tend to be the kind of person that likes to support the little guy as opposed to the big boys, because the little guys are the ones that push their industry forward when others fall into complacency or a set method of doing things.

He also has quite a strong ear and shared some of my criticisms but just hasn't gotten around to the work required to fix them yet (he's managing over 50 instruments in the libraries he's released so far, and don't even get me started on the Strings!).

These are unique libraries and they're certainly not for everyone, but I think all us Infinite Orchestra fans would be happy to have another person join the party!
 

I like music

Senior Member
If that's what you value, look no further than this. I've had fairly extensive correspondence with him for about a month sending feedback and ideas. He's very receptive and very much an open book. Even with some of the problems I have with the tone of some of the instruments, these are still my favorite libraries for their respective sections (especially the woodwinds) just for the simple fact that they sound so musical when you write for them. That, to me, is more important than a 100% authentic tone.

I know I put my money in the right hands. I tend to be the kind of person that likes to support the little guy as opposed to the big boys, because the little guys are the ones that push their industry forward when others fall into complacency or a set method of doing things.

He also has quite a strong ear and shared some of my criticisms but just hasn't gotten around to the work required to fix them yet (he's managing over 50 instruments in the libraries he's released so far, and don't even get me started on the Strings!).

These are unique libraries and they're certainly not for everyone, but I think all us Infinite Orchestra fans would be happy to have another person join the party!
150%. My favourite libraries, and also favourite developer. Sort of came out of nowhere (as far as I was concerned). In fact, I nearly missed the launch of the brass. I was waiting to buy CSB and keeping and eye on MSB (I think). I was randomly reading a thread and someone mentioned AV IB as a library to look out for. Nearly didn't bother with it, but checked out the demos and "damn! sold!"

To me, the biggest sign is a developer willing to put naked demos up on a forum in response to a user asking "hey, can you do some woodwind runs for me please?" How many developers would dare to come onto VI Control and say "Sure man, what do you want to hear from this library?"

Keep going. Strings will be hard enough so feel free to take a breather and a rest before you go diving into those!!!
 

5Lives

Senior Member
I really appreciate that Aaron shares MIDI files for his products. I’m always surprised more developers don’t do that - BBCSO being the only other one I’ve come across that has it.

The playability of these seems unmatched. Would be curious to hear somebody compare the same part with Berlin or CineWinds or Spitfire if they have them.
 

El Buhdai

New Member
While I'm not into the clarinet sound, I am blown away by the composition itself. Great work! I'm guessing you are a Prokofiev fan.
I have to agree about the sound of the clarinet here. I'm not a huge fan of it either, but these libraries seem to be capable of several different tones for each instrument. You can kind of pick the tone that you want for your instruments without even using any external effects. And once you add those into the mix (pun intended), most instruments can sound almost exactly how you want them to. Here's a simpler line with a bit of a warmer tone (achieved only through built-in settings) that's right in your face. Glides included.
 

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El Buhdai

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I really appreciate that Aaron shares MIDI files for his products. I’m always surprised more developers don’t do that - BBCSO being the only other one I’ve come across that has it.

The playability of these seems unmatched. Would be curious to hear somebody compare the same part with Berlin or CineWinds or Spitfire if they have them.
You and me both, pal. It's a little discouraging to listen to the demos for your new library, open the library up on your own system and think "Why doesn't mine sound like that?" Thanks to the MIDI, I just loaded the Rhapsody in Blue clarinet part into my DAW, adjusted the tempo, and I had a moment of excitement as I thought "oh my god... mine sounds exactly like that!"

And yeah, you're getting this for the playability. SM instruments have some similar flexibility, but you lose even more tone with those instruments. I'm no pro with these libraries, but I can share more examples from any instrument if you'd like. I'll even do melodies from your favorite scores. Let me know.
 

JT

Senior Member
I'm glad that this thread came up. I haven't paid attention to the Infinite series. My bad. But from what I've seen tonight, I think this is going to be on my black Friday list.

And with the inclusion of Euphoniums and saxophones, I can do a wind ensemble/concert band mockup. I don't know why other developers don't include these instruments but I'm sold.
 

Dan

New Member
I have to agree about the sound of the clarinet here. I'm not a huge fan of it either, but these libraries seem to be capable of several different tones for each instrument. You can kind of pick the tone that you want for your instruments without even using any external effects. And once you add those into the mix (pun intended), most instruments can sound almost exactly how you want them to. Here's a simpler line with a bit of a warmer tone (achieved only through built-in settings) that's right in your face. Glides included.
I agree, one can achieve different tones.

Just now I tried out something lyrical on the Clarinet: Brahms' Clarinet Quintet. Sadly I realized halfway through that Brahms wrote this for a Clarinet in A which can play lower than the B♭ Clarinet... so two low notes at the end are missing.

Based on a midi file by Reinier B. Bakels
 

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5Lives

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I'm no pro with these libraries, but I can share more examples from any instrument if you'd like. I'll even do melodies from your favorite scores. Let me know.
That’s a nice offer. Do you have other woodwind libraries? I’d be interested to hear the same melody lines compared to those libraries as the tone is really the main question for me with IWW.
 

El Buhdai

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That’s a nice offer. Do you have other woodwind libraries? I’d be interested to hear the same melody lines compared to those libraries as the tone is really the main question for me with IWW.
Unfortunately all I have is Hollywood Woodwinds, which is probably not the best comparison. :laugh:

I doubt there are very many libraries that could do this line in the same way for the simple fact that most libraries don't really try to do Clarinet glides. They're not often used in an orchestral context. You could play a drier version of it without the glides though. If you own any woodwinds libraries and want to PM me a line, I can try my best to replicate it with Infinite Woodwinds. I'd be happy to. When I got these libraries I had almost nothing to go by other than the walkthrough videos and a few small demos on VIC.
 

5Lives

Senior Member
If you own any woodwinds libraries and want to PM me a line, I can try my best to replicate it with Infinite Woodwinds. I'd be happy to.
I very (very) quickly mocked up a flute section from Princess Leia's theme on Berlin Woodwinds Flute 1 Legacy and CineWinds Solo Flute. An exercise perhaps I should do more to understand the libraries I own - I find CineWinds to be rather clicky / noisy compared to Berlin, which sounds much smoother.

If you have a chance, would be curious to hear how Infinite Woodwind's flute sounds with this! Cheers!
 

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El Buhdai

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I very (very) quickly mocked up a flute section from Princess Leia's theme on Berlin Woodwinds Flute 1 Legacy and CineWinds Solo Flute. An exercise perhaps I should do more to understand the libraries I own - I find CineWinds to be rather clicky / noisy compared to Berlin, which sounds much smoother.

If you have a chance, would be curious to hear how Infinite Woodwind's flute sounds with this! Cheers!
Cinewinds has a much better tone than Berlin here, but it also has some finnicky/slightly glitchy sounding attacks and releases. Here's the Infinite version with 3 flutes, slowed down to be closer to the tempo in the actual score. The tone on the Infinite Woodwinds flutes is the weakest of the three in my opinion. The flutes in Infinite Woodwinds seem to be the biggest weak point of the library, but if you already have Berlin and CineWinds (or any other quality flute) to fall back on you should be fine. You'll get a lot of bonus instruments you don't get with other libraries, and some way more flexible and agile versions of the woodwinds you already have.
 

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