Why are there no video reviews (on You Tube) of Berlin Strings?

jononotbono

Luke Johnson
Just wondering why there are no video reviews on Orchestral Tools Berlin Strings on You Tube? I just realised that there is very little on the library and I'm wondering why? There's reviews of pretty much everything on You Tube but no Berlin Strings. And it's a pretty huge String Library which is why I'm thinking it's a bit odd. Can anyone with Berlin Strings, that's good at using it, make a video on it? That would be rather good of you! Haha!

Just doing my research before potentially swan diving into a new Orchestra hence the question.
 
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jononotbono

jononotbono

Luke Johnson
Thanks Chris. Is it still your "go to" string library? I noticed you have each library (Strings, Brass, Winds, Perc) for the Berlin Orchestra. Do you have the expansions and if so, how resource hungry is it all?
 

Land of Missing Parts

flibbertigibbet
Just wondering why there are no video reviews on Orchestral Tools Berlin Strings on You Tube? I just realised that there is very little on the library and I'm wondering why? There's reviews of pretty much everything on You Tube but no Berlin Strings. And it's a pretty huge String Library which is why I'm thinking it's a bit odd. Can anyone with Berlin Strings, that's good at using it, make a video on it? That would be rather good of you! Haha!

Just doing my research before potentially swan diving into a new Orchestra hence the question.
I was wondering the same a month or so ago. I even wrote to Tobias at support to request that they make an up-to-date walkthrough. And then I just kind of lost interest.

It's like they don't care...and it's contagious.
 
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jononotbono

jononotbono

Luke Johnson
I was wondering the same a month or so ago. I even wrote to Tobias at support to request that they make an up-to-date walkthrough. And then I just kind of lost interest.
It's really bizarre. The library is not the cheapest to buy, it seems absolutely massive, everything I hear of it sounds excellent. Why wouldn't there be a ton of content about it?

Fuck it. I'm buying it next week when I get paid... And I'll make a 20hr video on it! :laugh:
 

Land of Missing Parts

flibbertigibbet
It's really bizarre. The library is not the cheapest to buy, it seems absolutely massive, everything I hear of it sounds excellent. Why wouldn't there be a ton of content about it?

Fuck it. I'm buying it next week when I get paid... And I'll make a 20hr video on it! :laugh:
The main thing that interests me about Berlin Strings is the depth of coverage articulation-wise. The main reason I'll probably skip it is because I've read a bunch of user posts about how it just takes more time and fiddling to get things to sound right.

And I'm inclined to believe those posts because that's been my experience with BWW Legacy as well. It takes a while for me to get it to work properly, and it's just draining. But when it finally works it can sound lovely.
 

jbuhler

Senior Member
And I'm inclined to believe those posts because that's been my experience with BWW Legacy as well. It takes a while for me to get it to work properly, and it's just draining. But when it works it can sound lovely
Yes, besides the fact that Berlin Strings didn't work very well when I only had 32GB, the other thing that keeps me from rushing back to try the library now that I have more memory is that it took me roughly 1.5 times as long to program the midi for the library as effectively as I can do SSS and SCS. The result was often but not always marginally better. But for my uses it generally wasn't worth the fuss. I don't know how much of the extra time had to do with fighting system resources and how much with the added detail of the library on the one hand and the recalcitrance of Capsule on the other.
 
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jononotbono

jononotbono

Luke Johnson
Curious if Berlin Strings has anything like Spitfire Symphonic Strings Time Machine Patches so short notes can be time stretched? Guess I should RTFM. Probably going to end up getting RTFM tattooed as a back piece one of these days. :laugh:
 
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I bought the bullet and got them. I struggled with Spitfire previously (although I am enjoying them more of late). And I was enjoying CSS.

But when I started using Berlin Strings, they end up on 90% of what I do now.
Hey, I have the same setup as you: iMac Pro, 128GB of RAM, Logic Pro X. How does Berlin Strings perform on that beast? I've read a lot about how the Berlins use a lot of resources, but my iMac Pro pretty much handles everything with ease, so I'm hoping that will be the case with Berlin Strings as well.
 

ChrisSiuMusic

Senior Member
Thanks Chris. Is it still your "go to" string library? I noticed you have each library (Strings, Brass, Winds, Perc) for the Berlin Orchestra. Do you have the expansions and if so, how resource hungry is it all?
It's definitely one of my 2 go-to's, the other being CSS. I tend to layer them (CSS for the lusher, darker sound and BS for the brighter, more detailed one). They create a large, passionate sound I really love. It is quite resource hungry (then again, I first used it when I had 8gb of RAM on my laptop). Now that I have 64, it doesn't affect my workflow much.
 

Shubus

Active Member
I have the complete Berlin Orchestra with all the expansions. I bought Berlin Strings on the strength of Chris' review. It fills all my needs pretty nicely. I went with Berlin because all instruments are all in the same room (Teldex) and so nothing else (like Mir) is needed is needed. When adding other companies instruments to the Berlin mix additional software is needed tp place them into the Teldex scoring stage. For some reason my ears are extra sensitive to the artifacts created by mixed hall reverbs.
 
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meradium

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Just make sure you have a dedicated machine for it with loads of RAM. Their player is terribly inefficient compared with e.g. Spitfire's take on it. It's a shame. But that's how it is. I really hope things will improve with their own player should it happen to come out. But I guess that will open a whole can of new different kind of problems :/ I don't have the Strings - only the WW + Revive and the Brass. But I guess the story is pretty much the same across the entire series.
 
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jononotbono

jononotbono

Luke Johnson
Just make sure you have a dedicated machine for it with loads of RAM. Their player is terribly inefficient compared with e.g. Spitfire's take on it. It's a shame. But that's how it is. I really hope things will improve with their own player should it happen to come out. But I guess that will open a whole can of new different kind of problems :/ I don't have the Strings - only the WW + Revive and the Brass. But I guess the story is pretty much the same across the entire series.
I have a 12 core Mac Pro 5,1 with 96gb of ram sitting in a cupboard that I will dedicate to just Berlin Strings. If that doesn’t run it then I guess I’ll just go back to Edirol Orchestal 😂
 

Land of Missing Parts

flibbertigibbet
Their player is terribly inefficient compared with e.g. Spitfire's take on it.
Since people are mentioning their experiences with resources, I'll chime in to say that I'm running BWW Legacy and BWW Exp B with all multi instruments loaded (in projects that end up actively using around 50+ instrument tracks in total) all running on 32 gb of ram.

And for me, it isn't so bad. I'm careful to purge everything and I do get some hiccups, but I find it to be workable.
 
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jononotbono

jononotbono

Luke Johnson
Since people are mentioning their experiences with resources, I'll chime in to say that I'm running BWW Legacy and BWW Exp B with all multi instruments loaded (in projects that end up actively using around 50+ instrument tracks in total) all running on 32 gb of ram.

And for me, it isn't so bad. I'm careful to purge everything and I do get some hiccups, but I find it to be workable.
With spitfire stuff I purge everything except for TM patches and Performance patches.
How does purging work with Capsule? I’m very inexperienced with OT libraries at the min.