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constaneum said:
SSB sounds pretty good. it's one of spitfire's best libraries ever made besides the chamber strings.
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No, it isn't, trust me. It is, in my opinion, actually one of their worst (together with the two other embarassements that make up the Studio Series). An opinion, that is, based on weeks and weeks of terribly frustrating experiences with the pro version of what I quickly came to consider an offensively sub-standard threesome.

Very mediocre recordings, the lack of essential samples being clumsily masked with blunt trickery, instruments many of which are completely incapable to speak the language of music expressively, sloppy programming and a disturbing amount of samples that even a home-based amateur developer wouldn't dare to include in his/her product. Here's https://users.telenet.be/deridderpiet.be/SB_Examples/SSB_FrenchHrn2_Legato.mp3 (an example).

Spitfire's Studio Series consists of three libraries that give new meaning to the term 'rigor mortis'. With sample libraries, there's always a degree of rigor mortis that you have to struggle with, and I don't mind — in fact, I quite like the challenge — but in Spitfire's Studio Series that all-pervading feeling of of petrified death is so bad and so paralyzing, that there is just no hope of ever emerging from the struggle victoriously. Awful. Truly awful.

Anyone ever heard anything good done with any of these three libraries? I mean, genuinely Spitfirishly good? I haven't. And we never will, because it's impossible.

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Piet they might be referring to spitfire symphonic brass, which I don't like particularly - but I think if I had to pick one of the two, lol.
 
re-peat said:
No, it isn't, trust me. It's actually one of their worst (together with the two other embarassements that make up the Studio Series) in my opinion. An opinion, that is, based on weeks and weeks of terribly frustrating experiences with the pro version of what I quickly came consider an offensively sub-standard threesome.

Very mediocre recordings, the lack of essential samples being clumsily masked with blunt trickery, instruments many of which are completely incapable to speak the language of music expressively, sloppy programming and a disturbing amount of samples that even a home-based amateur developer wouldn't dare to include in his/her product. Here's https://users.telenet.be/deridderpiet.be/SB_Examples/SSB_FrenchHrn2_Legato.mp3 (an example).

Spitfire's Studio Series consists of three libraries that give new meaning to the term 'rigor mortis'. With sample libraries, there's always a degree of rigor mortis that you have to struggle with, and I don't mind — in fact, I quite like the challenge — but in Spitfire's Studio Series that all-pervading feeling of of petrified death is so bad and so paralyzing, that there is just no hope of ever emerging from the struglle victoriously. Awful. Truly awful.

Anyone ever heard anything good done with any of these three libraries? I mean, genuinely Spitfirishly good? I haven't. And we never will, because it's impossible.

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i'm indeed referring to the symphonic brass. i never like the studio series.
 
Yeah the abbreviations are ridiculous at this point. I mean what’s SSS at this point? Symphonic Strings? Studio Strings? Solo Strings? Very handy for template nomenclature.

I’ve not bought any of the Spitfire Studio Series so it’s interesting to hear your thoughts Piet.

Since starting this thread, MSB (Audio Bro’s Modern scoring Brass) hadn’t been released yet. I’m very curious about that. So curious that I think MSB and CSB (Cinematic Studio Brass) will be my next Brass purchases.
 
I've heard very good comments from the fable sounds broadway brasses from a friend who owns them.

https://fablesounds.com

They sound good to me too but I'm not a very big fan of brasses either way, I only own the Output ones because I got the whole product bundle from them once it was in sale.
 
re-peat said:
Very mediocre recordings, the lack of essential samples being clumsily masked with blunt trickery, instruments many of which are completely incapable to speak the language of music expressively, sloppy programming and a disturbing amount of samples that even a home-based amateur developer wouldn't dare to include in his/her product. Here's https://users.telenet.be/deridderpiet.be/SB_Examples/SSB_FrenchHrn2_Legato.mp3 (an example).
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:shocked::eek::confused:
 
re-peat said:
Spitfire's Studio Series consists of three libraries that give new meaning to the term 'rigor mortis'. With sample libraries, there's always a degree of rigor mortis that you have to struggle with, and I don't mind — in fact, I quite like the challenge — but in Spitfire's Studio Series that all-pervading feeling of of petrified death is so bad and so paralyzing, that there is just no hope of ever emerging from the struggle victoriously. Awful. Truly awful.

Anyone ever heard anything good done with any of these three libraries? I mean, genuinely Spitfirishly good? I haven't. And we never will, because it's impossible.

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I honestly don't feel that way about the woodwinds, in fact I think they're rather excellent for ensembles. I was replacing tracks with it the week I bought it.

I'd love to hear a more specific reason why they suck, please?
 
re-peat said:
Very mediocre recordings, the lack of essential samples being clumsily masked with blunt trickery, instruments many of which are completely incapable to speak the language of music expressively, sloppy programming and a disturbing amount of samples that even a home-based amateur developer wouldn't dare to include in his/her product. Here's https://users.telenet.be/deridderpiet.be/SB_Examples/SSB_FrenchHrn2_Legato.mp3 (an example).
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Stuff like this seems to usually get missed by QA, reviewers, and most users. But this is exactly the kind of issue that I stumble over once I've bought a library after doing hours of research, and then it bothers the everliving fuck out of me. So thanks for sharing this "gem"!
 
re-peat said:
Here's https://users.telenet.be/deridderpiet.be/SB_Examples/SSB_FrenchHrn2_Legato.mp3 (an example).

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Yow, if that's a clean example of the Brass...yikes.

I don't hear anything analogous to that abortion in the Woodwinds...I just don't. Maybe it's just my ears.
 
Give the Solo Flute a try, Apostate:
https://users.telenet.be/deridderpiet.be/SB_Examples/---/SSWW_FluteSolo_Artefacts_C1-T2.mp3 (Example 1) (mics: C1 & T2) / https://users.telenet.be/deridderpiet.be/SB_Examples/---/SSWW_FluteSolo_Artefacts_C1-T2.mid (midifile)
https://users.telenet.be/deridderpiet.be/SB_Examples/---/SSWW_FluteSolo_Artefacts_C2-T1.mp3 (Example 2) (mics (C2 & T1) / https://users.telenet.be/deridderpiet.be/SB_Examples/---/SSWW_FluteSolo_Artefacts_C2-T1.mid (midifile)

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re-peat said:
Give the Solo Flute a try, Apostate:
https://users.telenet.be/deridderpiet.be/SB_Examples/---/SSWW_FluteSolo_Artefacts_C1-T2.mp3 (Example 1) (mics: C1 & T2) / https://users.telenet.be/deridderpiet.be/SB_Examples/---/SSWW_FluteSolo_Artefacts_C1-T2.mid (midifile)
https://users.telenet.be/deridderpiet.be/SB_Examples/---/SSWW_FluteSolo_Artefacts_C2-T1.mp3 (Example 2) (mics (C2 & T1) / https://users.telenet.be/deridderpiet.be/SB_Examples/---/SSWW_FluteSolo_Artefacts_C2-T1.mid (midifile)

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The flutes are what first came to mind when I read your earlier post. I do like the Alto Flute legato in SStWW, in fact with a little patience I wrote a really good legato run for it (I need to get a Soundcloud, please be patient). I use a lot of BHCT Flutes (the Concert and Mix), of course the Hein, Met Ark 2 and sometimes the EWH, so I'm not short on good Flutes, anyway.

I'm not completely sold on the solo oboe and bassoon either. But I've found places for the solo oboe, clarinet, and bassoon (not as much on the last). I really like the clarinet and oboe ensembles and those, coupled with what for me have already proven to be useful solo instruments, was more than worth the cash. I'm just still tentative on the upgrade.

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re-peat said:
No, it isn't, trust me. It is, in my opinion, actually one of their worst (together with the two other embarassements that make up the Studio Series). An opinion, that is, based on weeks and weeks of terribly frustrating experiences with the pro version of what I quickly came to consider an offensively sub-standard threesome.

Very mediocre recordings, the lack of essential samples being clumsily masked with blunt trickery, instruments many of which are completely incapable to speak the language of music expressively, sloppy programming and a disturbing amount of samples that even a home-based amateur developer wouldn't dare to include in his/her product. Here's https://users.telenet.be/deridderpiet.be/SB_Examples/SSB_FrenchHrn2_Legato.mp3 (an example).

Spitfire's Studio Series consists of three libraries that give new meaning to the term 'rigor mortis'. With sample libraries, there's always a degree of rigor mortis that you have to struggle with, and I don't mind — in fact, I quite like the challenge — but in Spitfire's Studio Series that all-pervading feeling of of petrified death is so bad and so paralyzing, that there is just no hope of ever emerging from the struggle victoriously. Awful. Truly awful.

Anyone ever heard anything good done with any of these three libraries? I mean, genuinely Spitfirishly good? I haven't. And we never will, because it's impossible.

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This is disheartening to read since I invested around 1K on it about a month ago but haven’t had a chance to use it yet.
 
Matt Riley said:
This is disheartening to read since I invested around 1K on it about a month ago but haven’t had a chance to use it yet.
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I agree with him on the flute, oboe and bassoon solos. But I thought the rest was excellent. I see you have the Professional, so that's extra cool.

I wouldn't worry too much about SStWW, it's mostly quite good. I'm actually glad Re-peat put the fair warning up about the solo Flute, which can be pretty lame. But there are other really excellent libraries for that instrument, off the top of my head the Hein (hard to go wrong with that developer and solo woodwinds). It certainly doesn't sink the whole library, far from it.

Just my opinion.
 
Apostate said:
I agree with him on the flute, oboe and bassoon solos. But I thought the rest was excellent. I see you have the Professional, so that's extra cool.

I wouldn't worry too much about SStWW, it's mostly quite good. I'm actually glad Re-peat put the fair warning up about the solo Flute, which can be pretty lame. But there are other really excellent libraries for that instrument, off the top of my head the Hein (hard to go wrong with that developer and solo woodwinds). It certainly doesn't sink the whole library, far from it.

Just my opinion.
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The user-posted demos on the brass threads back when the library was released also suggest that the library will work well for many things. It has weaknesses that you'd expect of a comprehensive library at this price point, but it also has strengths beyond simply having lots of instruments covered. I still believe it would make a good complement to the SF Symphonic Brass, because it fills some noticeable holes in that library. That horn example @re-peat posted upthread is obviously not good, but it's also not a sound you'd likely use much in isolation.
 
My favourite brass libraries are CSB and Sample Modeling. SM Brass sounds awesome if you put it in the right room (which can be tricky). I also have Spitfire and Cinesamples Brass, but I definitely prefer the other two. CS Descant Horn is great, though.

Will check out MSB for sure, especially because of the auto divisi and the many other features. If the legato performance sounds great with auto divisi, it will save me quite some time.
 
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