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Inceptic

Member
If a company is relentless with their sales, it means their product is overpriced. It also puts into question their moral caliber, as they are relying on behavioral economics instead of quality product. And, unless it's changed, let's not forget the "I'll get you on the way out" with WUP.
 

Bansaw

Sound Design
In Reaper on my Mac the only plugins that show up are AU, unless I completely clear Reaper's cache and rescan all of my plugins. This can take up to an hour and is, frankly, a pain in the ass. This only happens with Waves plugins.
Totally. This happens to me. I have to clear the cache and re-scan, and that resets some of my iLok stuff as well. Everytime I say "this is my last Waves plugin" then WavesTune came along, and HDelay went down to $25 and then I picked up VocalRider.
But, Waves Central is so poor that I am reaching the end of my must-have plugins.
I can't even install the plugins on more than one computer unless I go the route of carrying a USB key around with me, which is one more thing to misplace.
The guys at Waves need to really rethink their Waves Central (and how their install is affecting Reaper users too) because its really putting me off buying more plugins.
 
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robgb

robgb

I was young once
Totally. This happens to me. I have to clear the cache and re-scan, and that resets some of my iLok stuff as well. Everytime I say "this is my last Waves plugin" then WavesTune came along, and HDelay went down to $25 and then I picked up VocalRider.
But, Waves Central is so poor that I am reaching the end of my must-have plugins.
I can't even install the plugins on more than one computer unless I go the route of carrying a USB key around with me, which is one more thing to misplace.
The guys at Waves need to really rethink their Waves Central (and how their install is affecting Reaper users too) because its really putting me off buying more plugins.
Frankly, I wish they'd rethink putting the waves plugins all in one shell and just release them like other developers do. Give me a vst, au or vst3 that I can actually see in my plugins folder.
 
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robgb

robgb

I was young once
If a company is relentless with their sales, it means their product is overpriced.
MOST of the products are overpriced and always have been. Look at the sample library market. $800 for a Symphonic String Library in this day and age is ridiculous. Unfortunately, we're still seeing this kind of pricing and far too many of us are falling for it.
 

GtrString

Active Member
Waves business model is that you pay several times for the plugins, when you change computers and update your system. So the sales is to lure you in to a world where you can get wupped. Its a kick-ass company in its own right.
 

ProfoundSilence

Senior Member
they wont take waves plugins off the shell because it keeps you in the update chain.

I have a few plugins I don't use because i'd have to install waves 10, and almost all my plugins are waves 9. Hadnt realize they'd updated it to 10 when I bought those plugins, so basically either I give myself a headache trying to install 2 versions(all the old stuff requires an offline installer shinanigans) or I pay a butt load to update my plugins to waves 10

a few waves plugins I can't do without, but its quite infuriating
 

pmcrockett

Senior Member
they wont take waves plugins off the shell because it keeps you in the update chain.

I have a few plugins I don't use because i'd have to install waves 10, and almost all my plugins are waves 9. Hadnt realize they'd updated it to 10 when I bought those plugins, so basically either I give myself a headache trying to install 2 versions(all the old stuff requires an offline installer shinanigans) or I pay a butt load to update my plugins to waves 10

a few waves plugins I can't do without, but its quite infuriating
Waves doesn't mention that you can manage installations this way in any of their documentation, but if you unzip but don't install the offline v9 installer, you can read that folder as an offline installer from v10 Waves Central by selecting Install > Select offline installer and pointing it to the unzipped v9 folder. This lets you install both the v9 and v10 plugins from a single installation of Waves Central.

There's still the issue that if you want to update only one of your v9s to v10, you have batch uninstall your v9s then reinstall them minus the updated one -- they don't, for some reason, allow you to uninstall single plugins -- but the above trick at least means you don't have to screw with multiple versions of Waves Central. And if all your v10s are new purchases and not upgraded licenses, you shouldn't need to uninstall/reinstall any v9s as long as you decline any upgrade messages in Waves Central.

My impression is that rather than directly being a plot to get people to shell out for upgrades, they just designed the install system incompetently, then "fixed" it in the easiest way possible when they realized it would conflict with the upgrade system they wanted to use. So we're stuck with a semi-broken installer, and Waves won't tell people how to actually use it except via direct tech support inquiry, possibly because openly acknowledging the steps you actually have to take to get v9 to coexist with v10 makes it clear that someone over there screwed up.
 
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KMA

member
Waves business model is that you pay several times for the plugins, when you change computers and update your system.
If I found enough value in the older plugins (like the Gold bundle I bought years ago), I might consider paying for the WUP. But with the exception of the RenComp, there isn't anything I'd miss.

I bought a couple of v10 plugs this year (Scheps Omni and 73) on deep discount. I like them, and if I find them indispensable enough by the time I'm forced to pay for an update, I'd consider paying.

Time will tell.
 

Morning Coffee

Active Member
Waves business model is that you pay several times for the plugins, when you change computers and update your system.
I was under the impression that we could use our Waves plugins between multiple computers as long as the licenses were activated to a USB stick, similar I suppose, to how an iLok works.
 

BezO

The Artisan
I have their vinyl & tape emulations. I use them occasionally and have been happy with them.

Any feedback on their SSL 4000 Collection?
 

dzilizzi

I just hang around pretending I know something
I was under the impression that we could use our Waves plugins between multiple computers as long as the licenses were activated to a USB stick, similar I suppose, to how an iLok works.
Yes, I use the USB "dongle" method and have waves loaded on both my computers without a problem.
 

quantum7

I'm 50 now....it's all over!
Why complain that Waves has constant sales? I find it a very good thing for my bank account actually. Waves has clearly lost its dominance in the plug-in FX market and needs to survive, thus the constant sales....which is a win win for everyone IMO.
 

Alex Niedt

Active Member
Any feedback on their SSL 4000 Collection?
It is the worst of any SSL emulation I've heard. Nasty, whistly EQs and the buss compressor has nice weight but collapses the stereo image a bit. Grab the Brainworx SSL EQ on sale at Plug-in Alliance right now and then grab the Townhouse buss compressor when it goes back on sale. Or grab a Slate Digital subscription.
 

sostenuto

Big NKS Fan !
It is the worst of any SSL emulation I've heard. Nasty, whistly EQs and the buss compressor has nice weight but collapses the stereo image a bit. Grab the Brainworx SSL EQ on sale at Plug-in Alliance right now and then grab the Townhouse buss compressor when it goes back on sale. Or grab a Slate Digital subscription.
Assume you mean bx_console SSL 4000 G @ $49. ??
 

lpuser

Active Member
If a company is relentless with their sales, it means their product is overpriced.
Maybe it just means that they have come to another conclusion. Waves have some brilliant plugins and we should be happy that they run sales.
Look at Plugin Boutique etc. - sales everywhere from every company.

And, unless it's changed, let's not forget the "I'll get you on the way out" with WUP.
Well, I am sure you know that WUP is capped, so that it will never be ridiculously expensive?
And while you may be angry with Waves, just look at some other companies. There are developers who provide many updates for free and others - like e.g. iZotope - who prefer to sell expensive updates. When I got RX6 it was short before RX7 came along, but of course I did not qualify for an update. And I own other of their product which basically never got any significant free update, except for OS fixes which came at the latest possible time.

Personally, I am happy with how Waves are handling things and the fact that they are around this long means that they are doing a lot of things right.
 
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robgb

robgb

I was young once
Why complain that Waves has constant sales? I find it a very good thing for my bank account actually. Waves has clearly lost its dominance in the plug-in FX market and needs to survive, thus the constant sales....which is a win win for everyone IMO.
I don't think anyone's complaining about it.
 
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