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Was this the biggest Music scam ........ever, and classical .....really

Discussion in 'SAMPLE Talk' started by novaburst, Oct 3, 2017.

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    novaburst Senior Member

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    Are you saying that Hanz Z does all the work the writing, composition, sound design, are you saying some one can come along and take that compersition and get all the credit, the money, and the fame for something that they scammed from Hanz,
     
  2. GdT

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    Taking a tune and reworking it is not in the same ball park as directly copying another label's artist's recording and passing it off as your own recording. (After maybe a few minor tweaks and leaving the original tags in place!)
     
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    Didn't know about the Duchamps.
     
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    Well this has happened time and time again and there have been numerous court cases and fines becuase of it, so there are different views on this,

    I can steal a car and paint it a different colour and call it my own car and argue in court and say well it was Thier car but it's legally mine now because I painted it a different colour, it has a different spin now.

    I think the judge would lock me up and throw away the key.
     
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    I didn't mention Hans at all, just reasonably well known cases.
     
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    It is blatant "passing off" in legal speak.

    This guy had a habit of doing this, he released many albums of "undiscovered orchestras" that were literally recorded off radio broadcasts (back when doing so would have entailed using a microphone to record off the speaker), then changing the name to some fictitious orchestra.

    Thats not a bit of charming roguery, that is fraud. Similar to that other case round here of the chap that likes to download soundcloud demos and post them to music libraries as his own creations.

    Theft, fraud, a scam... nothing more. The fact it was his wife probably changes nothing as his past behaviour indicates it had less to do with some romantic notion of relaunching her profile and more to do with his compulsion to make money by scamming people.

    Read more here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Barrington-Coupe its quite revealing.
     
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    I know I was just being over the top
    (What if)
     
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    This is another subject all together. Although we could have many debates over how original a lot of the 20th century "artists" in vogue from the early 1900's to present are (especially some of the Turner prize winning candidates), this is not the same thing.

    Warhol and many others reuse elements or sometimes repurpose works, but they don't remarket them as something they are not and they have made changes (in this case he redrew the original painting as a linework).

    The subject of this thread made no attempt to modify the works and presented them as someone else's work as he had done many times before. Plagiarism is one thing, theft and fraud are another, however "romantic" the story might seem.
     
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    The BBC created a tv drama about this story a few years ago:

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2220204/

    Haha, indeed, and it would actually be an interesting discussion, the wrong forum for that, but hey, it would probably be a more interesting thread than most on here...

    Well in general the idea is to rip off someone who is not famous and does not have the financial clout to pursue you through the courts, so stealing from someone famous and well-monied is rather daft, but it still happens.

    In the film music world there was a case not too long ago, when the score for the film 300 had lifted some tracks from Elliot Goldenthals' soundtrack for "Titus", and the studio later had to apologise, and I believe a financial settlement was agreed:
    "Warner Bros. Pictures acknowledges and regrets that a number of the music cues for the score of "300" were, without our knowledge or participation, derived from music composed by Academy Award winning composer Elliot Goldenthal for the motion picture "Titus." Warner Bros. Pictures has great respect for Elliot, our longtime collaborator, and is pleased to have amicably resolved this matter."
     
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    That's losing the plot a little bit as, while it could be considered plagiarism regardless, there's no legal ramifications since da Vinci doesn't have a copyright claim to the work. The performer's don't have a claim to the pieces but they do have a claim to the actual performance
     
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