VSL - Synchron Piano (out now)

al_net77

Active Member
Yes, hope they will add back the "silent key" feature if it is currently missing. How about re-pedalling? How well does it work compared to other similar products?
I like very much the pedal management in general, I think they did a good job with this part. At now I would put it on top, better than Garritan. Moreover, in "Options" you have the possibility to turn on the "continuous pedal", if you have a good pedal system this make the difference.
 

Lee Blaske

Senior Member
Question: what do i get if i am to buy the standard version if i have vienna Imperial.. besides the tone ofthe actual physical piano (bosendorfer vs yamaha).. and i dont mean the statistics, but in actual playability.
I also own the Vienna Imperial, which I thought was a very good instrument in its time. I predict, though, if you get the Synchron Pianos CFX, you probably won't be using the Imperial all that much anymore. ;)

To me, the Synchron Pianos CFX just seems a lot more playable. Pedaling and note release are just a lot better.

I would think there's a lot of technology going on under the hood of this instrument, and a lot of it is proprietary. On the VSL page describing this instrument, they describe some of it. I'm not expecting them to explain thing in depth, though, because they probably don't want to give away their trade secrets. ;)

But, this paragraph from the instrument description on their site explains why the releases feel good. They went through a LOT of effort to raise the bar on this aspect of the way a sampled piano engine works. Not sure if any other developer is doing this sort of thing to this degree...

"Advanced Release Sample Technology
Capturing the notes with all the velocities and especially at various tone lengths with their subtle nuances is a major challenge in the art of piano sampling – and it’s particularly tricky when recording the instrument with the ambience of a scoring stage. This is where Vienna’s new Release Sample Technology comes in. The team developed a unique, proprietary technique that automatically matches up to 300 individual and finely grained release samples per key to your played notes. The result is a hyper-realistic playing feel and 100% timbral authenticity."
 

keepitsimple

Active Member
Interesting. From what i'm reading on all the forums so far (including the VSL community forum), this piano seems like a step up over every piano library in term of playability, realism and response. And the positive feedback from new owners seems to outweigh the shortcomings.

Still waiting for my Vienna key in the mail ( first time VSL customer) and will be looking forward to test drive it in two days.
 

kimarnesen

Senior Member
Even if I haven't got to play with it a lot yet since its making VEP to crash every 20 seconds, I'm surprised how thin and digital the upper range sounds so far. It's always a bit disappointing when a library out of the box doesn't sound at all as the demos (and this is a piano, so how different should it be? But this is just my first impression and it's difficult to explore it with all the crashing.
 

C-Wave

Senior Member
Even if I haven't got to play with it a lot yet since its making VEP to crash every 20 seconds, I'm surprised how thin and digital the upper range sounds so far. It's always a bit disappointing when a library out of the box doesn't sound at all as the demos (and this is a piano, so how different should it be? But this is just my first impression and it's difficult to explore it with all the crashing.
speaking of crashing, have you updated VEP to the May 7 update?
 

Leo

Active Member
Even if I haven't got to play with it a lot yet since its making VEP to crash every 20 seconds, I'm surprised how thin and digital the upper range sounds so far. It's always a bit disappointing when a library out of the box doesn't sound at all as the demos (and this is a piano, so how different should it be? But this is just my first impression and it's difficult to explore it with all the crashing.
I'm very close to buy this piano - thin and digital the upper range sounds? Please can I ask for a small example?
And what you think it's suitable for movie - cinematic music? I mean also intimate sounds.
 
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richard kurek

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I'm very close to buy this piano - thin and digital the upper range sounds? Please can I ask for a small example?
And what you think it's suitable for movie - cinematic music? I mean also intimate sounds?
i find it is softer sounding piano than garritan cfx
 

Leo

Active Member
great for vsl, because garritan is not my true love - in sound (and his company don't allow reselling:mad:)..
 

Lee Blaske

Senior Member
Here's another VSL Synchron Pianos (Standard Edition) demo. This piece is a quick improvisation in more of a cinematic vein, fleshed out with some strings and woodwinds. I was going for a soft and intimate sound on this one. Most of the sound here is Close Mic 1 position with just a touch of room. Not using the built in reverb here, but rather 2CAudio B-2. If you're looking for a warmer sound out of this piano, the Global Midi Sensitivity control is your friend. ;)

 

Leo

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Here's another VSL Synchron Pianos (Standard Edition) demo. This piece is a quick improvisation in more of a cinematic vein, fleshed out with some strings and woodwinds. I was going for a soft and intimate sound on this one. Most of the sound here is Close Mic 1 position with just a touch of room. Not using the built in reverb here, but rather 2CAudio B-2. If you're looking for a warmer sound out of this piano, the Global Midi Sensitivity control is your friend. ;)

Many thanks Lee for this soft example, piano sound very nice.
 

afg

New Member
Here's another VSL Synchron Pianos (Standard Edition) demo. This piece is a quick improvisation in more of a cinematic vein, fleshed out with some strings and woodwinds. I was going for a soft and intimate sound on this one. Most of the sound here is Close Mic 1 position with just a touch of room. Not using the built in reverb here, but rather 2CAudio B-2. If you're looking for a warmer sound out of this piano, the Global Midi Sensitivity control is your friend. ;)

Beautiful composition.
 

novaburst

Senior Member
Here's another VSL Synchron Pianos (Standard Edition) demo. This piece is a quick improvisation in more of a cinematic vein, fleshed out with some strings and woodwinds. I was going for a soft and intimate sound on this one. Most of the sound here is Close Mic 1 position with just a touch of room. Not using the built in reverb here, but rather 2CAudio B-2. If you're looking for a warmer sound out of this piano, the Global Midi Sensitivity control is your friend. ;)

Piano sounds very nice, very nice piece too
 

kimarnesen

Senior Member
I'm very close to buy this piano - thin and digital the upper range sounds? Please can I ask for a small example?
And what you think it's suitable for movie - cinematic music? I mean also intimate sounds.
I don't think it would be fair of me to post an example yet or say what it's suitable for, as I've been experiencing crashes every 20 seconds. However, VSL just sent me an update which they will release officially soon, so it's not crashing anymore.

I want to explore it more until I judge it too much, but what I feel so far is that in the bottom and mid range it sounds very convincing as a piano. I just compared it to my 8Dio Studio Piano, and it made that one sound very digital, plastic and dead. But I still feel the higher range of the Yamaha CFX has a bit digital sound especially when the keys are hit hard and short.

I prefer the concert preset so far.
 

richard kurek

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Here's another VSL Synchron Pianos (Standard Edition) demo. This piece is a quick improvisation in more of a cinematic vein, fleshed out with some strings and woodwinds. I was going for a soft and intimate sound on this one. Most of the sound here is Close Mic 1 position with just a touch of room. Not using the built in reverb here, but rather 2CAudio B-2. If you're looking for a warmer sound out of this piano, the Global Midi Sensitivity control is your friend. ;)

what value do you have on the midi sensitivity control , plus i like your feeling on this piece
 

kimarnesen

Senior Member
A quick example of the high range while trying to create an intimate, cinematic preset. The "global midi sensitivity" meter is set to -34.8 which helps with the thin feeling of the high range. For this example, the reverb is from Spaces and Lexicon RandomHall.

 

Lee Blaske

Senior Member
what value do you have on the midi sensitivity control , plus i like your feeling on this piece
Thanks. On this track, Midi Sensitivity was set at -26.4 (using it with a Kawai VPC1 controller). Obviously, this is something to set to taste, based on what you're feeling. It'll influence how you play, but it's also nice to tweak it after the fact (on some tracks, it might be useful to automate it in different sections). FWIW, Dyamic was set at 100% and Body is at 24%.
 

richard kurek

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Thanks. On this track, Midi Sensitivity was set at -26.4 (using it with a Kawai VPC1 controller). Obviously, this is something to set to taste, based on what you're feeling. It'll influence how you play, but it's also nice to tweak it after the fact (on some tracks, it might be useful to automate it in different sections). FWIW, Dyamic was set at 100% and Body is at 24%.
i also have the vpc1 thank you