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VSL Announcement: Moving from eLicenser to iLok (iLok key / iLok Cloud)

dzilizzi

Senior Member
Why stop with this industry? What about RULING THE WORLD, for starters?!? :ninja:
First the VI industry, then the world, then the galaxy, then the universe, then the parallel universes, then the....I'm not sure what comes next? Time?

Edit: I think I need a vacation. All this ruling is tiring.
 

zvenx

Senior Member
The apparent conflict of statements might easily be explained by Steinberg going to iLok Cloud, whether or not they also support a iLok dongle basis.

I think it was a question of semantics, but as this is not yet resolved, I'm going to delete what I wrote on another forum so that it doesn't potentially spread misinformation if it turns out that Steinberg is NOT going to ANY form of iLok licensing.
Where is this coming from?
When did SB even hint they were going to iLok Cloud?

rsp
 

Mark Schmieder

Senior Member
You're barking up the wrong tree; I was in fact trying to explain why it would not be a contradiction of what had been stated, were it to be the case that they're going to iLok, as iLok Cloud is an option (sometimes) and doesn't involve a dongle.

Look further up to see who posted that Steinberg "said" they're going to an iLok. When you actually go to their linked "proof", it evaporates pretty quickly as it isn't even a Steinberg statement that is behind the supposition that they're going to iLok.

Only time will tell.
 

FrankieD

New Member
I've been an East West cloud composer user for years with an iLok license. I just purchased the entire Vienna library. The key is still in the box. At least I don't have to use a new dongle.
 

zvenx

Senior Member
You're barking up the wrong tree; I was in fact trying to explain why it would not be a contradiction of what had been stated, were it to be the case that they're going to iLok, as iLok Cloud is an option (sometimes) and doesn't involve a dongle.

Look further up to see who posted that Steinberg "said" they're going to an iLok. When you actually go to their linked "proof", it evaporates pretty quickly as it isn't even a Steinberg statement that is behind the supposition that they're going to iLok.

Only time will tell.
Ahh I then misunderstood you.
I would be shocked if SB went to ilok, for obvious and not so obvious reasons.
Even though when I first came on board he SB wagon (Nuendo 1.5) they were in fact using an ilok dongle, which I still have.
rsp
 

NYC Composer

Senior Member
I said they (Steinberg) were going to iLok, but it’s true, it’s just a supposition on my part. What’s clearer is that they’re moving on from e-Licenser. My bet would be iLok, giving people a dongle/free choice if they want to use iLok Cloud. I doubt they’ll go protection-free.
 

Michael Antrum

Only the good die young....
I’d be very surprised indeed if they went to iLok.

I would guess they’ll do some kind on machine activation, and that it will be something developed in house.
 

DovesGoWest

Senior Member
All i read on the on the Steinberg site was that there were going to move away from eLicenser and no explicit mention of iLok. People voiced concerns etc. and the response was that these were been taken into consideration and that the move be very carefully done so as not to create more issues.

Personally i have never had an issue with the eLicenser\Dongle granted when Cubase11 came out there was the delays due to server overloads but apart from that i have never had another issue. Now i also have iLok due to having 7th Heaven and that has been nothing but a bag of issues, the number times the iLok cloud goes wrong and its got worse recently. Every time it goes down it screws up Cubase to the point of it either wont save or hangs or keeps displaying messages every minute.

Apparently iLok has 3 modes dongle, computer and cloud and it is up to the company that licenses iLok to decide which they support. When i asked 7th heaven they told me they only support dongle\cloud as they were informed that computer wasn't very secure. This means that i am forced into having to purchase a dongle just so my mobile rig can operate in a mobile fashion, this is something that companies using iLok need to be more transparent about.
 

DovesGoWest

Senior Member
Steinberg have said they will be going dongle free
Thats fine as long as they dont expect an always on connection, my fear is that they do the same as 7th heaven and say "No you don't need a dongle its all cloud based" until you need to be disconnected and then you do need a dongle. Its a get out of jail option for them as they can rightly say you dont need a dongle and been mobile is you choice which means you will have to have a dongle.
 

zvenx

Senior Member
I would be pretty surprised by that, given that existing iLok tech allows it now.
I am curious.
What would be the advantage for them of going ilok vs adding multiple activation and cloud security via their own e-licenser?

It would make them dependent on a third party for all their products including the ability to update (pace is not M1 native yet for instance so they are no AAX or ilok protected Native plugins currently or afaik soon to be released)

rsp
 

Geomir

Senior Member
Steinberg have said they will be going dongle free
A part of Steinberg is already dongle free. Iconica is the best example of how friendly customer service can be. I have it installed in my soft eLicenser (machine-based), and it works fine even without Internet.

But unlike iLok's libraries, if your machine dies you can reactivate your licenses in a new one no matter what. You don't have to do anything beforehand.

https://helpcenter.steinberg.de/hc/...-reactivation-requesting-new-activation-codes

Reactivation
This page is about reactivating software licenses that have been stored locally on hard disk in the so called Soft-eLicenser. Licenses on a USB-eLicenser (dongle, key) cannot and don't need to be reactivated. If the USB-eLicenser holding the corresponding license is connected, the licensed software can be used right after the installation.

What is a reactivation?
Reactivation means further activation of a software license that already has been activated before. A reactivation takes place after a new installation and consists of two steps:

  • Requesting a new activation code for a registered license via a MySteinberg account.
  • Activating the software license which means downloading the license by entering the new activation code in the eLicenser Control Center on your computer.
Why is it necessary to reactivate licenses?
Reactivations are required because in general, activation codes can only be used once to download a software license. If a further activation of a new software installation is necessary - for instance, in case the operating system has been reinstalled or you've switched to a new machine - new activation codes for licenses registered with a MySteinberg account can be requested via the reactivation process.


So I was curious and tried this: I turned off my main PC (containing the soft eLicenser Iconica license). I thought "Let's say that this PC is dead and will never be able to start again". So I go to my wife's PC, I enter (for the first time there) my online Steinberg account. They allow my to reactivate my Iconica so I can use it in another PC. Simple as that. They send you a new activation code, so you can activate it in any new machine (while at the same time disabling the previous one).

The conclusion (for me) is this: iLok, eLicenser, etc., are just tools. I wouldn't say the iLok is a "better app" than eLicenser. It's the companies that sell the plug-ins and the sample libraries that decide what happens if your laptop or MacBook or Internet Connection or USB-dongle dies.
 

Theladur

New Member
... soft eLicenser (machine-based), and it works fine even without Internet.

But unlike iLok's libraries, if your machine dies you can reactivate your licenses in a new one no matter what. You don't have to do anything beforehand.
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This!
I actually thought that Ilok machine based activation works like that, until this weekend when I figured out that it doesn't.

I have an UR44 audio interface from Steinberg which comes with an FX software suite. These effects are also activated with the "soft eLicenser" in a machine based manner. But when you switch to a different computer, you can simply (re-)activate the software on the new machine, without the need to deactivate it in your old computer. When seperating my private stuff like gaming from music related stuff by setting up a new OS on a different harddisk, I actually did this with this FX suite, and it worked without problems.

I wonder why Ilok doesn't use the same activation scheme for machine based licenses.
Of course, with this mechanism, one could abuse this licencing scheme by activating the license on a new computer, but keep using it on the old one (by keeping the old computer offline all the time, i.e. no updates on the software).
But the current implementation (you have to ask the software developers for a new activation key if your disk or machine dies) can be abused as well, in the same manner (i.e. you can say your machine died, even though it didn't, ask for a new key, activate this on a new machine, but keep using the old one; Actually, if they don't deactivate the old license (which the soft eLicenser does as far as I know), this current implementation is even worse, as the computer with the old license is still able to update the software, and doesn't need to be kept offline).
 

Geomir

Senior Member
This!
I actually thought that Ilok machine based activation works like that, until this weekend when I figured out that it doesn't.

I have an UR44 audio interface from Steinberg which comes with an FX software suite. These effects are also activated with the "soft eLicenser" in a machine based manner. But when you switch to a different computer, you can simply (re-)activate the software on the new machine, without the need to deactivate it in your old computer. When seperating my private stuff like gaming from music related stuff by setting up a new OS on a different harddisk, I actually did this with this FX suite, and it worked without problems.

I wonder why Ilok doesn't use the same activation scheme for machine based licenses.
Of course, with this mechanism, one could abuse this licencing scheme by activating the license on a new computer, but keep using it on the old one (by keeping the old computer offline all the time, i.e. no updates on the software).
But the current implementation (you have to ask the software developers for a new activation key if your disk or machine dies) can be abused as well, in the same manner (i.e. you can say your machine died, even though it didn't, ask for a new key, activate this on a new machine, but keep using the old one; Actually, if they don't deactivate the old license (which the soft eLicenser does as far as I know), this current implementation is even worse, as the computer with the old license is still able to update the software, and doesn't need to be kept offline).
In the end there are 2 things that are not so compatible with each other:

Customer friendliness - Easy of use - Lack of frustration VS Level of Anti-Piracy Protection

All companies that sell software must choose one of these two, or something in between. The results sometimes are mostly punishing for the legal users, while the pirates anyway will find their way into cracking the software.
 

Tatiana Gordeeva

Active Member
You can not register licenses to the iLok yet, but you will get free iLok replacement licenses as soon as we finished the transition.
Ben, may I kindly remind you that we already paid for said licenses to use your products. You're just changing the support platform (dongle or cloud) for them. Just a little distinction I felt needed. ;)
 
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