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Trying to decide between Uvi Falcon 2 or MSoundFactory as my next synth platform.

Fleer

Feeding the Trolls
Just leaving this here for the passers-by in 2020, 2021 and beyond ;) who have done a search for MSF and are (re)reading entire threads... (I know these people exist, do not ask me how).

40 minutes of MSoundFactory goodness by Simon Stockhausen. The same guy ALSO does Falcon2 expansions. He knows what’s hot. Enjoy.

How could you have known …
Well, it’s 2021 and I’m getting MSoundFactory.
Greetings from the future ;)
 

Twal

New Member
How odd, I have been trying to figure out this same question myself for the last 4 hours going back and forth listening to them and other synths. Falcon, HALion, Avenger and the likes...
 

Fleer

Feeding the Trolls
It’s synth time indeed. These last weeks I have been collecting Oberhausen, Lion, Knifonium, Pigments 3 and now MSoundFactory. On top of all those well respected pillars like Omnisphere 2 and (too many) others, I still felt the need.
I guess PlugInGuru’s Unify is partly to blame. John “Skippy” Lehmkuhl drew me back in with this inspiring host plugin.
 

Twal

New Member
It’s synth time indeed. These last weeks I have been collecting Oberhausen, Lion, Knifonium, Pigments 3 and now MSoundFactory. On top of all those well respected pillars like Omnisphere 2 and (too many) others, I still felt the need.
I guess PlugInGuru’s Unify is partly to blame. John “Skippy” Lehmkuhl drew me back in with this inspiring host plugin.
I saw Unify but I am learning still and that is something for later. I watched some of his demonstrations. Do you think Msoundfactory hangs with Falcon, Omnisphere, Avenger and others?
HALion looks nice too. I am looking for a lot of presets but I also want to learn to make sounds. Trap mainly producing here along with real sounding instruments/samples
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Fleer

Feeding the Trolls
Wouldn’t dare to say yet, as I’m only starting out with MSF. But I already love the idea that it has all of Melda’s FX in it. And the sampler looks like “endless”.
 

kitekrazy

Senior Member
Wouldn’t dare to say yet, as I’m only starting out with MSF. But I already love the idea that it has all of Melda’s FX in it. And the sampler looks like “endless”.
It sure does. Also lifetime updates and use on every system you own. From what I've watched so far from the videos I think of it more as a synth than a sampler. It looks like something one could go crazy on.
 

Bman70

Senior Member
How could you have known …
Well, it’s 2021 and I’m getting MSoundFactory.
Greetings from the future ;)
So which "module" or thing or whatever do I have to buy to get those presets in the demos? The Player is free, but apparently there's also MPowerSynth, and MSoundFactory "full" (which has everything).
 

drohnee

New Member
It does. You can even use MSF as an effect within MSF. Yep. Great synth. I ended up buying MCompleteBundle not much later.
I see several people saying that MSoundFactory includes all of the Melda effects, but I am confused by this. I recently purchased MSF and have not had time to really dig in to it yet, but I did try a few things and it does not appear to me that licenses for the effects are included. All of the effects are available for selection within the installer, but it looks like that just installs demo versions of the effects.

To take a concrete example, I went through the installer and selected the MSpectralDynamics effect which typically requires a separate purchase. In my DAW (reaper) I added a virtual instrument to a track and then added MSpectralDynamics as an effect. When I do this, the main toolbar indicates MSpectralDynamics is in demo mode and requires the purchase of a license.

Is there something I am missing and MSpectralDynamics is actually available for use? Perhaps it can only be used within MSF and not outside of it as I tried to do? Either way, some guidance here would be much appreciated.
 

doctoremmet

Senior Member
MSF has all Melda fx on board. Obviously, those FX are not available outside of MSF. If you want them all, there’s the $2000+ MCompleteBundle.

If buying MSF would imply they’d throw in ALL of their effects for free, noone would ever buy anything else anymore ;)

So yes, the assumption in your final paragraph is correct.

Like I already say in the part you quote: you can use MSF INSIDE !!! MSF. In the same way you get to use ALL known Melda effects as internal effects inside of MSF. I don’t think anyone -and certainly not me- has ever implied that that also means you can use all Melda effects independently of MSF as external effects in your DAW.
 

drohnee

New Member
I'm new to the whole Melda universe and hadn't looked at the list prices of their effects, but seeing now that at least some of the individual effects cost >$200 each, it certainly makes sense they aren't thrown in for external use when you purchase MSF. If they are all available for use within MSF in fully functional versions, that's plenty for me.

Thanks for clarifying this issue for a new user!
 

doctoremmet

Senior Member
I'm new to the whole Melda universe and hadn't looked at the list prices of their effects, but seeing now that at least some of the individual effects cost >$200 each, it certainly makes sense they aren't thrown in for external use when you purchase MSF. If they are all available for use within MSF in fully functional versions, that's plenty for me.

Thanks for clarifying this issue for a new user!
My pleasure. And if you use them in MSF and like them: always use their perpetual rotating 50% discount / sale to purchase any. And do get the free bundle which comes with the excellent MCharmVerb, MConvolutionEZ and many others.

Good luck with your MSF explorations; it is an impressive and very deep synth. I love it!
 

InLight-Tone

Senior Member
I don't get it. Omnisphere has 1000's of presets. Add in all these other synths and we're talking 10's of 1000's, maybe 100's of 1000's. At which point is it enough? Can one make a decision when faced with INFINITE complexity. It's interesting that Zimmer has settled on Zebra and seems to be pretty prolific. Maybe WE should start a "reality" show for Sample/VI hoarders...
 

doctoremmet

Senior Member
Ah. But I don’t care about presets, see. I care about features and workflow. I mostly make my own patches. And I like to do so with many different synths, as they all inspire me in different ways.

You really think Zimmer just uses Zebra? ;)
 

doctoremmet

Senior Member
The things I like most about Falcon.
I'm a newbie to this field but the thing I dislike most is GUIs that try to put "everything on one page".
The "modular" GUI of Falcon feels so much more logical to me (even if it might be slower for very simple cases, it's much more efficient for anything reasonably complicated)
You come across as a very digitally sane person, because I couldn’t agree more.
 

Fleer

Feeding the Trolls
My pleasure. And if you use them in MSF and like them: always use their perpetual rotating 50% discount / sale to purchase any. And do get the free bundle which comes with the excellent MCharmVerb, MConvolutionEZ and many others.

Good luck with your MSF explorations; it is an impressive and very deep synth. I love it!
It’s actually quite amazing that you can use all of Melda within MSF, including MDrummer, allowing you to fully explore MXXX. Kudos to Melda.
 

mscp

Senior Member
I like them both but to be honest I have so many synth and synth platforms that I'm only willing to learn one this year. Plus with HOOE and expanding my OT sample plus two new computers. This year is going to be expensive. Not to mention money allowing I'd like to finally get some Spitfire stuff either BBCSO or SSO.

But..... I really like UVI Falcon 2 and MSoundFactory. Both have very capable samplers. Melda's stuff is always more complicated and at 3 in the morning, I'm not looking forward to trying to remember what sub, sub,sub menu I need to access to route my modulators. But, I so love MpowerSynth and MSoundfactory has Mpowersynth osc plus everything else in that synth and way way more.

On the other hand UVI Falcon 2 is truly a musical instrument. Rob of this forum has it and he's secretly one of my favorites on the forum. So that's a big plus.

A few questions. I honestly think that UVI Falcon 2 has a bigger user base. Also, I think there will be more 3rd party support for sample libraries. But, will the sample format take off for UVI? I know that they have their own libraries, ect... Also, given the fact that fewer people know about MSoundFactory will this effect their library support. Will Melda start getting into more instruments like their piano or are they going to stick to mostly vst effects?

I think that now UVI has more to offer sound library wise, but should I be concerned about that? Melda Mpowersynth is sonically one of the best synths out there but admittedly that's all they've done instrument wise before MsoundFactory so there library and sound support is minimal so I'll need to be programming myself. Which takes time.

Tough call.
UVI Falcon 2 is a beast. I use it all the time. I can do virtually everything if I put my time into it. The only beef I have with it is that it can’t do multicore.
 
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