Patrick de Caumette
Senior Member
You were my forever is the only piece that i enjoyed.
Eyes Wider and Return To Sender for me. But I love 90 - 95% of it all.Anyone else have favorite piece yet?
Anyone else have favorite piece yet?
I just realized after you said that you didn't enjoy it that I have been referring to the comment of another person haha. I guess I just looked at the thumbnail and they both look kinda similarly graphically. I'm such a mess LOLDidn't enjoy it either. I found 'American Dreams' more interesting. I listen to his albums because his production skills are fantastic, and there's a lot to learn from that. But it's not a genre I particularly enjoy listening to.
Trailer style LOL. Either you don't listen to trailer music or didn't listen to the album.If someone would ask me (what probably won't happen) I'd say it's a concept album in trailer style.
Trailer style LOL. Either you don't listen to trailer music or didn't listen to the album.
I understand. My point is that for centuries (even millennia) composers whether great or amateur did care - and still do. A Mass would be just that, as would be a Toccata and Fugue and so on. I can come along and say I don’t care but is that to my credit? If I’m commissioned to write a waltz, I’m going to write in 3/4 right? So there are real ramifications in the abandoning of some nexus between a title and a work. If we truly don’t care, then why not call TB’s work, String Quartet No. 3?I couldn't care less what it's called
As I said Mahler stretched the meaning by the structural changes he made. Even so, he is a direct connection to Beethoven’s symphonies and even begins his 1st Symphony (note-for-note essentially) with Beethoven’s 4th. The nexus is crystal clear. The 20th century symphonies that follow are downright Hadynesque in their strict adherence to the the Sonata form.symphonies stopped being solely about sonata form with Mahler.
Yea, sure - some of it. But as someone who listens to a lot of trailer music I'd say that only 5-10% of it is reminiscent of typical trailer music. For the rest you'd get kicked by publishers when they ask for trailer music.Some of it does sound a bit like that to me as well. However "You Were My Forever" is growing on me and imo seems much more expressive than the (in these times) generic cyber-cold that dominates the rest of the piece.
I couldn't care less what it's called, symphonies stopped being solely about sonata form with Mahler.
Well, American Dream is supposed to be one single piece, while it's similar with Seven the parts here are supposed to be distinct. I do hear a connection, but I'm not really looking out for it - I just appreciate what I'm hearing, connected or not.Eyes Wider almost sounds like leftovers from Sun (Colors of Love).
Overall i like the album (i'm a massive TB fanboy so duh), but as a whole it feels a bit disjointed, compared to let's say American Dream. I might just have to listen to it more before it sticks (as is usually the case with TB's music - i usually come to love it after a few listens).
Considering it's been 4 years in the making i do understand that it shares similarities and has been influenced by his other music during the period.
I would like him to explore more of the gentler sides, and maybe explore some fresh orchestrational devices he don't use all the time. Apparently he has a bunch of symphonies lined up going forward so who knows what 2019+ Thomas is brewing
I understand. My point is that for centuries (even millennia) composers whether great or amateur did care - and still do. A Mass would be just that, as would be a Toccata and Fugue and so on. I can come along and say I don’t care but is that to my credit? If I’m commissioned to write a waltz, I’m going to write in 3/4 right? So there are real ramifications in the abandoning of some nexus between a title and a work. If we truly don’t care, then why not call TB’s work, String Quartet No. 3?
As I said Mahler stretched the meaning by the structural changes he made. Even so, he is a direct connection to Beethoven’s symphonies and even begins his 1st Symphony (note-for-note essentially) with Beethoven’s 4th. The nexus is crystal clear. The 20th century symphonies that follow are downright Hadynesque in their strict adherence to the the Sonata form.
My purpose is not to single out TB’s Symphony. There’s been a trend in the culture for some time toward a far looser labeling of musical works so as to render them meaningless. I once kidded a buddy of mine who co-wrote a piece called Piano Concerto with David Foster. It’s basically a piano doing a couple riffs with an orchestral accompaniment. It’s very brief. We chuckled at that and how silly the title is. In listening to Seven, I can’t make a connection to any aspect of any symphony by the loosest of definitions. I think that if we want to use the descriptions and labels that the giants of the past used, it should be to connect with them in some way - not disconnect.
It seems the whole Neo Classic period was rather obsessed with earlier forms and so for symphonies they chose its most successful form. Baroque forms were used heavily during that period as well, usually for smaller works. It’s the 21st century, anything goes, I know. I just would hate to see a complete disconnect where artists don’t retain what’s gone before even if they depart from it in nearly every way.I think you have important points here, Dave. There are of course important connections that link the Haydn-style symphony with Mahler's (and so many others).
Exactly. Even trailer music as a description is well enough established after a few decades so that if those defining characteristics are not present someone is going to say, That’s not trailer music. I was simply making that case for the centuries-old Symphony.But as someone who listens to a lot of trailer music I'd say that only 5-10% of it is reminiscent of typical trailer music. For the rest you'd get kicked by publishers when they ask for trailer music.
I didn’t see where he called it a symphony either and “symphonic” is exactly right so, not sure where all this got started.As far as I know from Thomas there is just one more symphonic work (he didn't call it 'symphony'...)
Well, I mean American Dream and the upcoming "symphonic" work. Seven he actually did call a "hybrid-symphony", but not the 2 others. That's what I meant.I didn’t see where he called it a symphony either and “symphonic” is exactly right so, not sure where all this got started.
Somewhen in late 2018, I read (most likely on Facebook) that they (Thomas and Nick) had 4 hours of new music coming up. Since then, Dragon, American Dream, Seven and a couple of singles were released. Quite a lot, but still nowhere near 4 hours in total. Humanity will be a huge album though from what I've heard and will probably take most of the left playtime.Well, I mean American Dream and the upcoming "symphonic" work. Seven he actually did call a "hybrid-symphony", but not the 2 others. That's what I meant.