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The end of Albion 2 Loegria?

Banquet

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Hi all,
I've noticed that Loegria doesn't have brass and woodwinds sections (unlike Albion V for instance) yet it still weighs in at a fairly large 35gb. I was wondering if it had a more comprehensive string section?
 

jbuhler

Senior Member
Hi all,
I've noticed that Loegria doesn't have brass and woodwinds sections (unlike Albion V for instance) yet it still weighs in at a fairly large 35gb. I was wondering if it had a more comprehensive string section?
It has sackbuts and horn/euphonium patch for brass; recorders for woodwinds. Its string articulations are reasonably generous for a library of this sort, but it is only divided into high and low strings. It's not listed on the articulation list on the SF site, but my version of the library also has a full string ensemble patch.
 

Banquet

Member
It has sackbuts and horn/euphonium patch for brass; recorders for woodwinds. Its string articulations are reasonably generous for a library of this sort, but it is only divided into high and low strings. It's not listed on the articulation list on the SF site, but my version of the library also has a full string ensemble patch.
Thanks for the info. I was going to get Studio Strings Core this month... am just wondering if Loegria might be worth considering instead?
 

TheSigillite

Active Member
Thanks for the info. I was going to get Studio Strings Core this month... am just wondering if Loegria might be worth considering instead?
Depends on what are your exact needs are at the moment. If you're not in any rush and would like to save some funds, you could pick up Loegria at this great price and then the studio strings to complete our setup during their spring wishlists or winter wishlist sale. If your immediate need is a library with more versatility, i would say go for Studio Strings instead.
 

thereus

Active Member
It would be a great time for Spitfire to tell everybody what they are actually trying to do at the moment. Are they going to port the orchestras and Albion’s etc. to the new player?
 

redlester

Member
It would be a great time for Spitfire to tell everybody what they are actually trying to do at the moment. Are they going to port the orchestras and Albion’s etc. to the new player?
They do address this, but you have to search for it. This is from the FAQ on the Eric Whitacre library page:

DOES THIS MEAN YOU ARE NO LONGER RELEASING LIBRARIES IN KONTAKT?
No. We will still be making Kontakt libraries.
 

Hasici

New Member
It is not like they have to physically make the copies of the Albion II when someone new buys it. Obviously they are bringing new replacement, otherwise it could sit there forever and still being bought.
Many companies have to do these shenanigans due the high competition. It is hard to get new customers for your older stuff so the army of loyal customers are the goldmine. They need to have something to generate repeated sales and having Albion II point two and charge cross-grade is the perfect solution. And it doesn't hurt if it create buzz.

I still think spitfire are among the very few with true "golden ears". Their products are meticulously executed and they also have access to very best players, sound stages and audio engineers one can hope for. But the competition doesn't sleep either. OT or Cinesamples can spit another of their 100GB library that would be also perfectly executed, played and recorded.

I have my reservation about Albion as a library in general but one cannot argue against that they are (most of the time) amazingly produced for what they were supposed to be designed. If you like Albion One and find it useful, you will also like Albion II as well. Now for half price... not bad deal.

But also to be on the critique end, I feel they really did spend too much time on the experimental "bonuses" in the albion libraries instead on focusing on the orchestral part more. And as for Albion II, I really appreciate they let some drunks play the recorders for the many of us who wants to impersonate french police sirens but maybe, just maybe for the Albion TWO get actually real players or do an alcohol test before you start recording. I honestly think I can do better job playing on my flea market Altos than this masterpiece. And I play badly.
 
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jbuhler

Senior Member
It is not like they have to physically make the copies of the Albion II when someone new buys it. Obviously they are bringing new replacement, otherwise it could sit there forever and still being bought.
Many companies have to do these shenanigans due the high competition. It is hard to get new customers for your older stuff so the army of loyal customers are the goldmine. They need to have something to generate repeated sales and having Albion II point two and charge cross-grade is the perfect solution. And it doesn't hurt if it create buzz.

I still think spitfire are among the very few with true "golden ears". Their products are meticulously executed and they also have access to very best players, sound stages and audio engineers one can hope for. But the competition doesn't sleep either. OT or Cinesamples can spit another of their 100GB library that would be also perfectly executed, played and recorded.

I have my reservation about Albion as a library in general but one cannot argue that they are not (most of the time) amazingly produced for what they were supposed to be designed. If you like Albion One and find it useful, you will also like Albion II as well. Now for half price... not bad deal.

But also to be on the critique end, I feel they really did spend too much time on the "bonuses" in the albion libraries, the ones that deviate from orchestral too much. And as for Albion II I really appreciate they let some drunks play cheap plastic recorders for the artistic impact but maybe for the Albion TWO get actually real players or do an alcohol test.
If I had to guess I’d say they are running out of licenses on Loegria and had to decide whether to buy more or discontinue.

I would love more quirky, maybe more early music instruments for instance (but yes better recorders), complete with an early music Evo. Though it’s not clear if the market is there for that given the other libraries available. Or they could do a pp-mp ensemble orchestra to complement Albion One, if there’s enough space to squeeze a coherent library between Tundra and Albion One.
 

ism

Senior Member
If Albion 2 had had a proper woodwind section I would probably have bought it instead of Albion one. And in retrospect, even without woodwinds I would probably have got more use out of it.

So filling it out with woodwinds, I can really see it sitting along side One as an a full stand alone ensemble library rather that the kind of nice space it now fills.
 

KallumS

Active Member
Has Spitfire ever fully retired a library? I don't think so. I doubt they'd start now, I also doubt that they would allow a gap in the Albion numbering, meaning there's a new version of the library coming that's either NKS compatible or runs in the Spitfire player. I doubt it'd be made up of entirely new samples, rather 'remastered' samples from the old library.
 

ccarreira

Member
Has Spitfire ever fully retired a library? I don't think so. I doubt they'd start now, I also doubt that they would allow a gap in the Albion numbering, meaning there's a new version of the library coming that's either NKS compatible or runs in the Spitfire player. I doubt it'd be made up of entirely new samples, rather 'remastered' samples from the old library.
Yes they did
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redlester

Member
I’ve seen that. I was hoping for a bit more detail so that I can make plans. Buying libraries involves decisions about series as well as individual products and decisions about hardware capacity.
I agree, fully understand.
All I can say, as I think I said earlier that Albions 2-4 are the only "big" libraries not yet NKS (apart from, perhaps Spitfire Percussion? And of course excluding the ones which have only ever been stand alone). I will be disappointed if Albion Two or whatever is stand-alone, not enough to put me off buying but I do prefer Kontakt/NKS. The light guide is extremely useful for some of the quirkier instruments which only use a small section of the keyboard, such as in Loegria!

Technical question; I have no idea in a software design sense what they have to do to make it NKS but would it be possible to have NKS compatibility and still be stand alone? Uhe seem to manage it with Diva and Repro...
 
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