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The end of Albion 2 Loegria?

jbuhler

Senior Member
How would you describe the Albion 2 strings when compared to SCS? Obviously there's the section sizes, but any sense of places that one can go that the other can't?
It's been a while since I've worked extensively with the strings. It's a bigger section in Loegria, even in the half, I think, than SCS. But it's still a warm intimate sound, especially compared to Albion 1/One. The legato is more deliberate in Loegria than SCS as well, lovely imho and often better for slower lyrical stuff than SCS, though that has to be weighed against only being divided into strings hi and lo. Loegria also has two legatos, both full section and half section, for both high and low strings. One drawback is the low string legato is only two octaves and tops out at middle C (high, by contrast, is three octaves and a fourth). I remember that limitation to the low string legato being a bit of a pain to negotiate.

The con sord longs and flautando longs are also lovely, and I prefer the con sord longs in Loegria to SCS for most things. The flautandos are different from those in SCS but also quite nice. As many have mentioned the shorts are also excellent, especially the soft low shorts (and there's a good variety too, with regular shorts, CS quiet shorts, longer CS shorts for the low strings in addition to the pizz and col legno).

I'll also say that the Loegria strings layer well with SCS.
 

brek

Active Member
though that has to be weighed against only being divided into strings hi and lo. Loegria also has two legatos, both full section and half section, for both high and low strings. One drawback is the low string legato is only two octaves and tops out at middle C (high, by contrast, is three octaves and a fourth). I remember that limitation to the low string legato being a bit of a pain to negotiate.
Give me individual sections or give me full ensemble patches. One of my least favorite aspects of Albion One. To be fair, I don't know of any other full ensemble legato patches.
 

Geoff Grace

Senior Member
Of course, there's always the workaround of putting low strings and high strings patches on the same MIDI channel and treating it as a full ensemble patch. It's not an elegant solution; but sometimes, it works fine.

Best,

Geoff
 

TomislavEP

Member
I must say that I'm personally saddened and disappointed by this decision, almost as much as I've been when Spitfire Audio announced the "death" of Albion I only a few months after I've finally afford myself to purchase it after years of dreaming about it.

As a person struggling to make a living solely out of music for the past ten years, I often find it difficult to purchase everything I would like to have at my disposal in terms of instruments, equipment and software. For me, Albion I is still the most expensive single software purchase I've ever made. It seems that I've finally decided to "take the plunge" at the worst possible time. First off all, back then Spitfire was charging for its products exclusively in GBP , which was always one of the most expensive currencies here in Croatia. Plus, we have a whopping 25% VAT rate. Furthermore, our living standards are less then great. So you can imagine how I've felt when I've received an email from Spitfire about the death of legendary Albion I, the farewell sale of the same and the announcement of its replacement, Albion One, which could me mine at the discounted rate. The experience had left such a bad taste for me, so I had not upgraded my Albion I to One even when the upgrade price was as low as 99 EUR. At the same time, with all the hype about the benefits of One, the Legacy owners can feel like we're stuck with an inferior version of the same product.

I can somewhat understand Spitfire's motives. Their Albion series has a fantastic value and broad application range and because of the general popularity of "all-in-one" orchestral libraries, they've probably thought they should offer more content suitable for that "epic" sound that most users are looking for. And in truth, the original Albion I and especially II are much more gentle and chamber-sounding. Personally, this is just what I need most of the time, so I'll stick with my Albion I, II and V combination and almost certainly won't purchase an upgrade to Albion Two when and if it lands. Hopefully, they won't do the same with Tundra in the future. ;)
 
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poetd

poetd

Active Member
I would like to see them update Albion 4 though.

It's the library I want most now from SF, but that workflow looks truly horrendous.
I'll even accept it in the SF player and lose any Kontakt functionality if they find some easier way of selecting the sound you want.
 
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poetd

poetd

Active Member
FYI - posted on reddit Audio Production deals, apparently from Spitfire Support:

"I can't confirm for sure whether the samples will be released in a future product but, if they are, we have a reputation for providing fair crossgrades. I wouldn't recommend buying it now to secure a future update though, I would recommend buying it as this is the last chance to own Loegria as it appears today"

Take it as you will.
 

jbuhler

Senior Member
Give me individual sections or give me full ensemble patches. One of my least favorite aspects of Albion One. To be fair, I don't know of any other full ensemble legato patches.
Loegria does have a full ensemble patch (though not with legato) as well as the division into high and low.
 

ism

Senior Member
FYI - posted on reddit Audio Production deals, apparently from Spitfire Support:

"I can't confirm for sure whether the samples will be released in a future product but, if they are, we have a reputation for providing fair crossgrades. I wouldn't recommend buying it now to secure a future update though, I would recommend buying it as this is the last chance to own Loegria as it appears today"

Take it as you will.

Sigh.
 

Alex Fraser

Senior Member
FYI - posted on reddit Audio Production deals, apparently from Spitfire Support:

"I can't confirm for sure whether the samples will be released in a future product but, if they are, we have a reputation for providing fair crossgrades. I wouldn't recommend buying it now to secure a future update though, I would recommend buying it as this is the last chance to own Loegria as it appears today"

Take it as you will.
Hehe - sounds like a finely crafted boilerplate response.
 

aegisninja

New Member
I broke down and bought it... as good as the euphoniums sound, I think the ones in Ark 2 are just a little better... I do really really like the low strings and some of the steam band stuff though. No regrets.
 

jbuhler

Senior Member
I broke down and bought it... as good as the euphoniums sound, I think the ones in Ark 2 are just a little better... I do really really like the low strings and some of the steam band stuff though. No regrets.
I like the legato in Loegria, and generally prefer it to the Ark 2 euphonium a3, but it's not a pure euphonium sound.
 

MA-Simon

Senior Member
I currently don't have either Albion ore Loegria installed. There is just nothing in there I need that newer iterations of Spitfire products did not do a lot better.
 

redlester

Member
I hope this is the start of Albion 2, 3 and 4 joining the NKS functionality of One and V.

I can’t work out their strategy on that though. The recent brass, woodwind and LCO libraries are Kontakt/NKS, but the new Evo’s are not. Seems a bit random.
 

jbuhler

Senior Member
When I heard the @Daniel James Loegria demo that @dzilizzi posted, Ark 2 instantly came to mind. How much overlap is there between the two libraries?


Best,

Geoff
Not much. They both have softer strings that stand in relation to another library (Ark 1 or Albion 1). They both have a euphonium patch. But after that there's not a lot of overlap. Loegria adds recorders and sackbuts. The additional orchestral content in Ark 2 is much deeper. Ark 2 has the choir. Loegria has the usual Albion additional content—steamband, percussion, etc. To me Loegria doesn't make a lot of sense as a stand-alone library but it does nicely supplement other libraries, especially ensemble libraries though also the strings can be useful in adding body to SCS without shifting the sound toward a large string section.
 
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