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The end of Albion 2 Loegria?

Jimmy Hellfire

Senior Member
I wouldn't be surprised if they follow this up with a crossgrade to Albion TWO. It means that Loegria is at its "end of life" stage and doesn't sell any more.

By that logic, TWO would be the more intimate counterpart to the epic/cinematic sounding ONE. Derived from the Sptifire Studio line, or recorded during the same sessions. Would make sense. Including some of the good ol' weirdo patches of the legacy Loegria - sackbuts and recorders. Basically exactly what they did with Albion Legacy / ONE.
 

ism

Senior Member
Albion1, if I recall had a crossgrade to Albion One.

However the new solo strings did not.

So it’s odd that they’re not saying. Lucky Dip marketing.
 

dzilizzi

I just hang around pretending I know something
Albion1, if I recall had a crossgrade to Albion One.

However the new solo strings did not.

So it’s odd that they’re not saying. Lucky Dip marketing.
Sometimes they give discount prices for old product owners and sometimes they don't. I know when they did the firesale on the solo strings, you didn't get the upgrade price to the new ones. Not sure how it worked with Albion 1 and Albion One.
 

Mornats

Senior Member
I have the old solo strings that I bought before the fire sale and I still see a discount when I add the new ones into my basket so there's a bit of a crossgrade thing still going on.
 

prodigalson

Senior Member
Albion Loegria was the first sample library I bought. As such it featured on virtually everything I wrote for several years (starting 2011/2012) and every time I pull it out I remember the charm and feeling I felt pushing a key and hearing such gorgeous REAL string sounds. Since then, I've used a LOT from this library including the quite quirky and charming Byron Tapes (something which I suspect might not reappear in any new product). Based solely on my experience with Albion 1 legacy and Albion ONE, I imagine that when/if Albion TWO is released I'll be very pleased that I still have Albion Loegria to use, even though I'm sure there'd be stuff in the new library I'd find appealing. So I'd recommend picking this up at this price for sure.

For me, Albion Loegria (and to a certain extent Albion Iceni) harken back to a simpler, more charming and "off the beaten track" time in the Spitfire design aesthetic that I strangely feel a bit nostalgic for. I, personally, loved the art work, the personality, the sheer britishness of it all and the joy I felt at having these gorgeous sounds at my disposal. I've lost a certain amount of that joy of discovering high quality sample libraries in general and Spitfire have lost the individuality and charm of the unique identity of their brand and design aesthetic from that time.
 

ism

Senior Member
I have the old solo strings that I bought before the fire sale and I still see a discount when I add the new ones into my basket so there's a bit of a crossgrade thing still going on.
And when they old solo strings went on the fire sale Spitfire quickly clarified that there was not going to be a discount if you bought them on the first sale. Perfect fair for a company to decide to give or not give a discount in this circumstance.

The curious thing here is that we don’t seem to know one way or another.

So is it better to buy now ... or wait for a hypothetical Albion Two ??



It’s a bit of lucky dip one way or the other.

Again, perfectly normal for a company to market in terms of this kind of uncertainty .. creating a sense (artificial?) urgency and all.

But I do wonder if some kind of transparency would be ... an alternate approach.

Beautiful library, regardless.
 

667

Senior Member
I still like it, they got some amazing sounds, more character than in other libraries since. SCS is better, and you don't NEEEEEEEED Albion 2 if you have it, but it is special and sometimes technically better is not strictly better. Sometimes more interesting and more beautiful is better.

Also, as 'bad' as the recorders are, where else do you get that sound? Sackbutts sound AMAZING. Perfect for Ye Olde English sound (I get instant 'Shire' feel from it.

Honestly the weird and uniqueness in Loegria combined with the beauty of its sounds is really special. Still one of my fav libraries, and I hope they do a better job with it than they did with ONE, which I upgraded to but don't really like.
 

sostenuto

Big NKS Fan !
Have Loegria and pleased. Also; One and Tundra. Would be a cool gesture for SFA to offer 'crossgrade' for Loegria owners, to (1) other Albion at same cost. ICENI has long been attractive. ;)
 

benmrx

Senior Member
FWIW, I have SCS, Loegria and SSS. Between those three you really have a TON of options regarding tone, section size, etc. I absolutely love to layer SCS with with the Loegria 1/2 section legato. My only wish (if they do indeed release an updated Albion TWO) would be to add more string articulations for the 1/2 string sections like basic shorts, pizz, etc.
 

dzilizzi

I just hang around pretending I know something
I have the old solo strings that I bought before the fire sale and I still see a discount when I add the new ones into my basket so there's a bit of a crossgrade thing still going on.
What I meant was, they specifically stated if you paid the firesale price, you didn't get the discount. If you bought before the firesale, you got the discount. Seems like a lot of work for them though.
 

Guy Rowland

Senior Member
Perhaps a new Albion TWO is following next. If so, let's hope it actually turns out better than Loegria (which wasn't the case with Albion ONE and its predecessor).
Just feel morally obliged to counter what I consider a totally bizarre opinion. From the very beginning I thought Albion 1 was dreadfully overrated - synthy strings and noise levels that defy belief. Albion ONE on the other hand has magnificent buttery strings with best-in-class legato, and the brass and percussion ain't too shabby either.

I realise others disagree - taken as read - and certainly don't intend to recycle these old debates, but somehow couldn't help that comment go without SOMEONE saying "er, hang on a minute"...
 

667

Senior Member
Just feel morally obliged to counter what I consider a totally bizarre opinion. From the very beginning I thought Albion 1 was dreadfully overrated - synthy strings and noise levels that defy belief. Albion ONE on the other hand has magnificent buttery strings with best-in-class legato, and the brass and percussion ain't too shabby either.

I realise others disagree - taken as read - and certainly don't intend to recycle these old debates, but somehow couldn't help that comment go without SOMEONE saying "er, hang on a minute"...
I cannot figure out my problem with ONE it just sounds wrong and I can never put my finger on it.
Maybe it's just something as simple as velocity curves.
 

Jimmy Hellfire

Senior Member
Just feel morally obliged to counter what I consider a totally bizarre opinion. From the very beginning I thought Albion 1 was dreadfully overrated - synthy strings and noise levels that defy belief. Albion ONE on the other hand has magnificent buttery strings with best-in-class legato, and the brass and percussion ain't too shabby either.

I realise others disagree - taken as read - and certainly don't intend to recycle these old debates, but somehow couldn't help that comment go without SOMEONE saying "er, hang on a minute"...
Well the other perspective I guess is that Albion 1, with all its shortcomings, has a lot of very distinct, lively and warm vibe. Especially the strings. I think that many people from the "pro legacy" camp are coming from that perspective. A lot of that vibey quality is gone in the very sleek and at times overly tight and dense sounding ONE. It may be technically superior, but it has a kind of neutral, more nondescript character.

Speaking of synthy - interestingly, that's what rubs me the wrong way in Albion ONE. To me the strings often sound like a very big celli section. The brass just sounds wrong. None of us have a "clean slate" in their heads during the decoding process of hearing sounds, and I guess our perception of timbre, color etc. is dependent on previous conditioning and expectations. That was a fancy way of saying "people have different tastes".
 
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ism

Senior Member
I would certainly get this before it’s gone!!!
The question is - is it really gone? Will it be introduced in a redux version soon? It is a better deal to buy now?

Or - is it like the fire sale on the old solo string? It was a good price, but then the new solo string, which was so much better that it really was a complete waste of money to buy the old ones on a fire sale, given that I was always going to buy the new solo strings. (Usually, I feel Spitfire tries to be transparent in it's marketing, but this was not their finest moment in my estimation. Especially with early confusion over upgrade discounts )

But here I'm certain there will be some kind of replacement/upgrade for Albion 2 - it's just too beautiful to simply get rid of all together.

But is there any point in buying this if you're someone who's probably going to want to upgrade to whatever comes next?


Far from clear. (And bit of a lucky dip on what's the best path).


But looking forward to see what comes next. Especially if it has more woodwind. That would be very exciting.
 

stfciu

Active Member
The question is - is it really gone? Will it be introduced in a redux version soon? It is a better deal to buy now?

Or - is it like the fire sale on the old solo string? It was a good price, but then the new solo string, which was so much better that it really was a complete waste of money to buy the old ones on a fire sale, given that I was always going to buy the new solo strings. (Usually, I feel Spitfire tries to be transparent in it's marketing, but this was not their finest moment in my estimation. Especially with early confusion over upgrade discounts )

But here I'm certain there will be some kind of replacement/upgrade for Albion 2 - it's just too beautiful to simply get rid of all together.

But is there any point in buying this if you're someone who's probably going to want to upgrade to whatever comes next?


Far from clear. (And bit of a lucky dip on what's the best path).


But looking forward to see what comes next. Especially if it has more woodwind. That would be very exciting.
Hint anticipated (SFA) :)
 

sekkosiki

Senior Member
I don't quite understand this marketing style. It doesn't make sense to kill a product unless they're releasing an update, new content, which they'll quite certainly do. That's why I'm a bit displeased that they're not transparent. Yes, I get that there's a big discount, but I'd like to have more knowledge of future updates, content to make my decision of buying it.

This kind of marketing makes me avoid buying the product, even if I'd get a huge discount. Transparency is what I value.
 
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Old Timer

Member
I get a lot of use from Loegria. I love the recorders and the horn samples - and the strings sound dainty and fragile. I've bought some more recent Spitfire libraries, including Albion One, but I still wish I'd got the original Albion when it was available as I think I would have liked it for the same reasons I like Loegria.

My opinion on Spitfire personally, these days, is that it's as if I've woken up from a dream. I fell for the line buried in much of their marketing that I was part of a 'Spitfire family' and that buying Spitfire products was an entrée into some kind of career in media composition. More fool me, obviously, and Spitfire do make some terrific sample libraries, I'm sure.

But their marketing is too much for me these days and, like I said, I feel like I've woken up.
 
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