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The Audio Modeling SWAM String Orchestra

Rob

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Great job, I’ve done something similar for quite a while, including my experiments with the yamaha vl synth... this sounds so much better, and very expressive, though it still retains some of the synthetic quality, especially in the f attacks...
 
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rohandelivera

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The holy grail for a workflow on something like this would be a script that takes a single track as an input and generates an arbitrary number of additional tracks that flesh out the section with enough parameter variation for acceptable layering.
Good point - I suspect the genius types at SWAM are already thinking about this.

There's one big hurdle though, an AU would need to post process a midi performanceand I'm not sure this is possible (Yet). I could be wrong.

What I mean is, for example: a real ensemble doesn't act like a single player, everyone starts and ends a note differently, sometimes late, sometimes early; this blurring is an important part of an ensemble sound. A script would need to analyze a midi performance first and then create new tracks with variances.

Also the performance parameters of an instrument cannot be varied randomly, it all needs to be in a musical context.
 
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rohandelivera

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Just for some context. Here is the real thing. Just realizing my interpretation is a tad de-caff.

Again, thanks for listening. Appreciate all the comments
 
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Lee Blaske

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Fantastic job. Really sounds convincing. If I hadn't known it was virtual, the only thing that would have made me question it was the short note from the entire orchestra at :48. Did you use an actual performance as the base, conductor track?
 

Phillip

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Rohand, congratulations on great work. On the First Violins did you roll off hi end with the EQ? Thank you.
 

sherief83

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Amazing effort Rohan. i'm also sold on the Swam engine. I'm loving my sample modeling brass and can't wait to get my hands on this string package!
 

Straight2Vinyl

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I have the string section and am attempting to get a decent small ensemble sound for pop recordings. I can't imagine how long it would take me to pull of something like this though!
 

YarKirGen

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Tchaikovsky's Serenade for Strings, Op. 48, Mvt 1

16 SWAM First Violins in 4 stage positions
14 SWAM Second Violins in 2 stage positions
12 SWAM Violas in 3 stage positions
10 SWAM Violoncello in 2 stage positions
7 SWAM Basses in 1 stage position

Midi CC Performance with Tec Midi Breath Control, and Leap Motion VR controller.
Great work! Can you please answer some questions:
1) All the same parts (I mean 16 first violins part for example) recorded individually or copied with special template, that do parts "human-like" (e.g. little changes of velocity, expression, note lenghts etc)?
2) Can you please share your EQ settings?
 
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rohandelivera

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Great work! Can you please answer some questions:
1) All the same parts (I mean 16 first violins part for example) recorded individually or copied with special template, that do parts "human-like" (e.g. little changes of velocity, expression, note lenghts etc)?
2) Can you please share your EQ settings?
This post will help https://vi-control.net/community/threads/my-process-for-building-realistic-instrumental-sections-with-swam-and-sample-modeling-instruments.69970/
 

pipedr

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Superb work!

I wonder—Chris Hein promises a similar approach building up an orchestra from individual solo instruments, but with samples.

What do you think are the pluses and minuses of working with samples a la Chris Hein vs with modeled SWAM instruments?
 

Casiquire

Senior Member
Superb work!

I wonder—Chris Hein promises a similar approach building up an orchestra from individual solo instruments, but with samples.

What do you think are the pluses and minuses of working with samples a la Chris Hein vs with modeled SWAM instruments?
More control over vibrato, individual instrument control would be my main two
 
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rohandelivera

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Superb work!

I wonder—Chris Hein promises a similar approach building up an orchestra from individual solo instruments, but with samples.

What do you think are the pluses and minuses of working with samples a la Chris Hein vs with modeled SWAM instruments?
Thanks

With sampled instruments, layering several solo instruments is not a particularly successful way to make a convincing ensemble. At most you’re varying intonation, staggering envelopes and dynamic layers... Which is why you have sampled ensembles. The major plus of a which is convenience. And in the hands of a good orchestral programmer all you need.

The major plus of a modelled instrument is its infinite timbre and articulation. When executed in a musical context, correctly staged and mixed you can make a much better section than any sampled equivalent.

Alas the cost is convenience. (for now at least)
 
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Rilla

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That was absolutely beautiful. As good as the libraries sound, I've never heard any sound this human.
 
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