An absolutely ridiculous statement. Logic has seen its kind of improvement over the years. You have to do is compare the release notes in the incremental updates to those of Ableton Live to know that there’s no truth to the statement.
Well, the facts are right there - they have released something better. What does the 5,1 have above any recent release?
5 years ago maybe... but now I have the fear... that the 5,1 is now going to hit a Catalina shaped wall. From here on in there's going to more and more software I wouldn't be able to run. Every update, every patch is going to be another compound risk.
better mid tier solution. And no they haven’t.
I share this concern ^^. I'm running a 5,1 that was refurbished with a new 12 core some years ago. It's great today but not sure if Catalina is possible or not.
Okay I get it, the 5,1 Mac Pro was the peak of innovation for Apple. Very modular and still keeps up to this day.
CPU, RAM, I/O and Storage is really what concerns us Modern day Composers.
CPU - 5,1 is far behind most anything recent. Still powerful enough to get the job done for now, but less head room than it used to have.
RAM - Much slower Ram, but maximum supported is 128GB. Huge plus as most Macs can't get to this for the price point if you really need that much on a budget.
I/O - Dogshit compared to today. Not that fastest or most compatible, but you can make it work.
Storage - Old interface protocols, which barley keeps up with even low tier stuff. But, more modular than anything has released with lots of room for more drives.
So yes, great computer right now. It just doesn't have much head room left in 2020. I would not say it would make another 5 years as a serious workhorse machine.
As I said already, I've already updated it to sata3. It supports M.2 if you get a pci card for that, but I chose not to because I'm already invested in SSD III, which works perfectly fine. Try using m.2 on a mini or iMac by the way.
Yeah its pretty absurd how high its priced right now. Not even the 5,1 or 6,1 Mac pros were that high I dont think?
Very good point. Maxed out 64GB aftermarket RAM, 512 SSD and extra HD 2018 Mac Mini comes out at about the same as a maxed 96GB 2012 MP (about 2200 euros inc tax for me).That was not my point. My point was, stop buying shit thats almost 8+ years old because its viable NOW.
Again if everyone reading this is not concerned about performance-per-dollar then these discussions are irrelevant.
I mean seriously guys - this is the multi-threaded score for a mini. The iMac is way higher. not to mention Thunderbolt 3 everything
Every 10.x update has had major improvements included. Many of the lesser updates have included substantial Improvements and added features. There are lots of new plugins and instruments that have been added. In terms of my usability, Logic has improved more in the last five years than Studio One, which is the other DAW I use a lot. I didn’t make the move to Ableton 10, but progress on it was also at or behind the rate of Logic during the period I kept them both active and I did have a Push though I never liked the workflow.In the time since Logic Pro X was released, Ableton has released 2 major versions with a ton of new features. Max4Live integration and devices, new synths, new plugins, completely new rewritten UI engine, libraries, etc. And let's not forget about their expansion into hardware with 2 versions of Push, or releasing a crossplatform SDK/protocol (Link) for syncing musical apps.
Or look at Bitwig, a super small company that in just the last 5 years has released 3 major versions of its crossplatform DAW. The last one includes a complete modular environment.
I stopped using Cubase before switching to Logic Pro 7 ages ago, but from what I've seen on forums and youtube videos it is also going full steam ahead.
So while these companies are constantly innovating their products and introducing new revolutionary features Logic Pro is still shipping with ancient plugins (eg: Ultrabeat) which haven't been updated in 15 years. Or Space designer which has been untouched since its introduction in Logic Pro 8 in 2007 or so I believe?
Apple, with its considerable resources, would not ship macOS, iOS, FinalCut, or any of its more popular products with 15 years old stuff in it because it cares about those products.
I think it's pretty evident at this point that the Mac Pro 7,1 isn't targeting the same market as the Mac Pro 5,1 (and prior). I see the new Mac Pro 7,1 as more like a Power Mac 9600 (maximum expandability at any price) while the Mac Pro 5,1 was more like the Power Mac 8600 (good expandability at a good price).
I personally think there's a giant hole in Apple's lineup where a Mac Mini Pro would fit nicely. One can dream.
They are worth every penny of $2k. I don’t think you can get a loaded up cheese grater for $1000 yet.
I share this concern ^^. I'm running a 5,1 that was refurbished with a new 12 core some years ago. It's great today but not sure if Catalina is possible or not.
In the time since Logic Pro X was released