Tableau Solo Strings by Organic Samples—€119 + VAT, single instruments from €56 + VAT

Maxime Luft

Senior Member
Thanks, very helpful! Side note, do you know when OT will send the competition applicants their free Tableau Strings instrument via email?
It's definitely coming next week, keep an eye on your inbox! OT will post officially about it on VI-C when it's ready.

Have you decided which instrument you will pick up yet?
 

samphony

Senior Member
It's the Komplete Kontrol M32.

I just really enjoy a small, portable setup where you don't have to route tons of equipment together :)

The Tableau Solo Strings library goes in the same direction... Easy to use, quick results, no tons of keyswitching... Just to keep your inspiration fresh whilst making music.

@Rory Is there anything about this keyboard or my setup that you would like to know?
Next up Tableu Strings for StaffPad? ;)
 

LamaRose

Gato Mighty!
@LamaRose May I ask which version of Logic you are using? 10.5 seems to behave quite differently than other versions.
Currently on 10.4.8... is 10.5 better/worse on CPU? I've heard that CPU usage is much improved in Kontakt 6 which, if true, is quite annoying having to pay $99 to upgrade/fix.

The viola and shorts are the standouts in the library.
 

Jacob Fanto

Active Member
It's definitely coming next week, keep an eye on your inbox! OT will post officially about it on VI-C when it's ready.

Have you decided which instrument you will pick up yet?
Viola! And then I may even buy the other two! Would the price point change for the complete library once I've received the free instrument?
 

AlainTH

Member
I really hate this. There are couple of other retailers who also don't include VAT in their marketing prices, which actually is not legal at least in Europe. If there is a VAT to be added, it has to be mentioned in marketing communications also. It's showing up here and there, but not everywhere.
exactly it is not legal (first) and the mentality behind is not sympathetic (second but...).
Concerning woodwind the infinite woodwinds are also in the way of better balance for playability over keyswitches.
 
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ProfoundSilence

Senior Member
exactly it is not legal (first) and the mentality behind is not sympathetic (second but...)
You seem to be unaware of how that ACTUALLY turns out for us, the clients - which is that WE eat the cost.

option 1: they price it so that factoring in the possibility of VAT/similar. Then the entire rest of the planet pays that increased price, which accounted for VAT eating their margins.(one of the big names definitely seems to prefer this)

option 2: they price it so that it doesn't factor that in, and people who live in countries that tax their population heavily can complain about it on the forums, while at least the rest of us aren't punished for their country's policies.

then I suppose is the option you only imagine exists(for any developer working with a large overhead):

option 3: they price it not factoring things like VAT in, and out of the goodness of their hearts eat a massive chunk of their profit margins for people who live in those countries.

I can tell you with absolute certainty that option 3 is for small developers who don't sink a ton of 0's into their costs and hit an even ROI the first day of sales. Certainly isnt something a company with outside investment is willing to tolerate, let alone shareholders.

Not to sound bitter, but that's simply how the economy operates - regardless of whatever non-enforceable laws country xyz comes up with, ultimately trying to enforce it onto the rest of the world wont work. Would you rather they simply not sell to countries that have VAT and sidestep the whole issue? Might be more reasonable with virtual goods than physical goods, but as soon as you realize foreign companies can simply not sell you food because they don't want to pay the king(or queen's) ransom then i'm sure you'd be okay footing the rest of the bill if it came to that :)

note: I edited the wording slightly, as I'm sure it's inconvenient, so I'm not knocking at you for complaining, only pointing out that your "solution" creates a problem for the rest.

One thing that I've experienced plenty with orchestral tools - is looking at the price on the screen in euro only to pay a large amount more in USD. For instance, one transaction looked like this $912.89 USD = €778.00 EUR. heck, BWW revive for instance, cost me $829.09 USD = €649.00 EUR.

I'd much rather pay 778$ than 912$ - but alas, that's how international commerce works
 
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AlainTH

Member
i forgot your presence here when it is OT in the subject... :) , all i know (and "i can tell you" also but i don't specifically speak to you) is it is illegal in europe to not show the price vat included and the price of 89 EUROS signify in EUROPE, the euros (word used in the title of this thread) have this name because it is in europe (i simplify...). and other companies respect that. The actual spitfire sale give no bad surprise when going to valid the cart...
 
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Rory

Filmmaker
You seem to be unaware of how that ACTUALLY turns out for us, the clients - which is that WE eat the cost.

option 1: they price it so that factoring in the possibility of VAT/similar. Then the entire rest of the planet pays that increased price, which accounted for VAT eating their margins.(one of the big names definitely seems to prefer this)

option 2: they price it so that it doesn't factor that in, and people who live in countries that tax their population heavily can complain about it on the forums, while at least the rest of us aren't punished for their country's policies.

then I suppose is the option you only imagine exists(for any developer working with a large overhead):

option 3: they price it not factoring things like VAT in, and out of the goodness of their hearts eat a massive chunk of their profit margins for people who live in those countries.

I can tell you with absolute certainty that option 3 is for small developers who don't sink a ton of 0's into their costs and hit an even ROI the first day of sales. Certainly isnt something a company with outside investment is willing to tolerate, let alone shareholders.

Not to sound bitter, but that's simply how the economy operates - regardless of whatever non-enforceable laws country xyz comes up with, ultimately trying to enforce it onto the rest of the world wont work. Would you rather they simply not sell to countries that have VAT and sidestep the whole issue? Might be more reasonable with virtual goods than physical goods, but as soon as you realize foreign companies can simply not sell you food because they don't want to pay the king(or queen's) ransom then i'm sure you'd be okay footing the rest of the bill if it came to that :)

note: I edited the wording slightly, as I'm sure it's inconvenient, so I'm not knocking at you for complaining, only pointing out that your "solution" creates a problem for the rest.

One thing that I've experienced plenty with orchestral tools - is looking at the price on the screen in euro only to pay a large amount more in USD. For instance, one transaction looked like this $912.89 USD = €778.00 EUR. heck, BWW revive for instance, cost me $829.09 USD = €649.00 EUR.

I'd much rather pay 778$ than 912$ - but alas, that's how international commerce works
Actually, there are on-line EU vendors who show the price with VAT included, but deduct the VAT during checkout for non-EU purchasers. The software to do this kind of thing would seem to be readily available, essentially a variation on software widely used in the U.S. and Canada where sales tax/VAT depends on state/province.

To take one example, if an American orders from Amazon Germany, the price is shown VAT included, but the VAT is removed during checkout.
 
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FinGael

Active Member
Hi Maxime,

What I have always found unique about your libraries is the way the personality of the player comes through. Also the philosophy was to spend all the time on the legato, rather than provide multiple articulations, soundscapes, phrases, arps, etc. You put your time into that one thing until you got it right and made it so easy to play, because that was all it was. There was clearly a highly cultivated taste and attention to detail and unwillingness to compromise, which impressed me in such a young person. So when I got Solo Opera I immediately started playing it and made a video to show people how easy it was to play out of the box. Beautiful tone and total plonkability and it sounded real! While I don't own them all, it is still IMO the best solo female library I am aware of available at any price.

And everybody was stunned by how great Majestic Horn is, which you basically gave away for 2 euros, and still do.

So you are on an entirely new path now, creating full-bodied solo string instruments. Probably no more legato-only for 2 euros. :sad:

So what is emotional and unique and expressive beyond a human voice and a woodwind instrument? What is really, really hard to do and we could all use another one if it was great?

A set of saxophones. That would be my first choice.

Reid
+1 for saxophones - would definitely buy! Especially interested in a good soprano sax (I don't want to take the audio modeling -route and haven't found any good alternative).
 

Jackdaw

Member
You seem to be unaware of how that ACTUALLY turns out for us, the clients - which is that WE eat the cost....
This has nothing to do with that.

If legislation, for a reason, says that you cannot post official marketing communication stating that you can buy something for 10 but you really have to pay 12.5 it is so. In that situation you lure people with false communication.

Funny thing that it is easily avoidable by saying "10+VAT where applicable". Now everyone knows the true price.

Nevertheless beautiful library, bought it without hesitation.