Dewdman42
Senior Member
Update 11/12/19: After the ensuing discussion on this thread, I have updated these instructions for anyone else that is looking for a quick answer to using Synchron with MirPro. See the rest of the thread for details.
I am exploring the SynchronPlayer more and particularly the best way to use together with MirPro. Any VSL gurus want to comment if the following is good approach or a different approach for using Synchron together with MirPro (disabling the built in Synchron ambience in the Synchron player)...
The word from VSL is that MirPro should be fed with material that is center panned, stereo. That includes even if the material was recorded perhaps with stereo mics and/or processed to be wider. Leave it wide, leave it stereo, but make sure its panned to the middle. In VePro, the MirPro settings have the following options for when ViPro is used as the instrument:
Notice it says disable panning. So that is apparently what happens with ViPro, and I would assume Synchron too, though I'm getting some wonky behavior right now.
Its not clear to me whether VSL sample libraries are sampled center-panned or what VePro does exactly to center-pan ViPro and Synchron. Like I said, Synchron is doing some wonky things right now as I test it . But the question is how should we go about center-panning and removing any built in reverb from Synchron (and ViPro) when using them in a DAW with MirPro instead of VePro?
So basically here is an example I did, I loaded up DimensionBrass All Horns preset. First thing, I chose the Close mics mixer preset. This preset makes sure not to use any algorithmic reverb in the mixer. Still this preset has a lot of room ambience because the convolution is still enabled on each channel. So I clicked the convolution button on each mixer channel and REMOVED convolution.
Then I double clicked on the PAN icon for each channel and set the width to 0%, ie... mono
Do NOT reduce the stereo width of VSL source instruments. MirPro likes them as is. Presumably they are all centered already, and whatever width they contain will add some interest to reverb tails. Leave it.
Then I changed the output assignments of each player to a different audio out, so that I can process each player independently in MirPro. The Synchron mixer ends up like this:
Then in LogicPro I put MirPro on each of those channels.... configure MirPro how I want...
Regarding Third party libraries, the word from VSL is that likewise, the content needs to be center-panned, but if it has any stereo width, its ok, leave it. That will result in a bit more movement in the reverb tails, not a bad thing. What is important is that its center-panned.
So when working with third party libraries, it would be best to use power-panning, such as possible with Waves S1 plugin, or some other alternatives; to center the signal in the stereo image before hitting MirPro. That might be required if a library doesn't have actual close mics, or if the stage positioning is in any way baked into the samples.
Removal of Early Reflections may also be needed in some third party libraries and I leave that as an exercise for another time.
I am exploring the SynchronPlayer more and particularly the best way to use together with MirPro. Any VSL gurus want to comment if the following is good approach or a different approach for using Synchron together with MirPro (disabling the built in Synchron ambience in the Synchron player)...
The word from VSL is that MirPro should be fed with material that is center panned, stereo. That includes even if the material was recorded perhaps with stereo mics and/or processed to be wider. Leave it wide, leave it stereo, but make sure its panned to the middle. In VePro, the MirPro settings have the following options for when ViPro is used as the instrument:
Notice it says disable panning. So that is apparently what happens with ViPro, and I would assume Synchron too, though I'm getting some wonky behavior right now.
Its not clear to me whether VSL sample libraries are sampled center-panned or what VePro does exactly to center-pan ViPro and Synchron. Like I said, Synchron is doing some wonky things right now as I test it . But the question is how should we go about center-panning and removing any built in reverb from Synchron (and ViPro) when using them in a DAW with MirPro instead of VePro?
So basically here is an example I did, I loaded up DimensionBrass All Horns preset. First thing, I chose the Close mics mixer preset. This preset makes sure not to use any algorithmic reverb in the mixer. Still this preset has a lot of room ambience because the convolution is still enabled on each channel. So I clicked the convolution button on each mixer channel and REMOVED convolution.
Do NOT reduce the stereo width of VSL source instruments. MirPro likes them as is. Presumably they are all centered already, and whatever width they contain will add some interest to reverb tails. Leave it.
Then I changed the output assignments of each player to a different audio out, so that I can process each player independently in MirPro. The Synchron mixer ends up like this:
Then in LogicPro I put MirPro on each of those channels.... configure MirPro how I want...
Regarding Third party libraries, the word from VSL is that likewise, the content needs to be center-panned, but if it has any stereo width, its ok, leave it. That will result in a bit more movement in the reverb tails, not a bad thing. What is important is that its center-panned.
So when working with third party libraries, it would be best to use power-panning, such as possible with Waves S1 plugin, or some other alternatives; to center the signal in the stereo image before hitting MirPro. That might be required if a library doesn't have actual close mics, or if the stage positioning is in any way baked into the samples.
Removal of Early Reflections may also be needed in some third party libraries and I leave that as an exercise for another time.
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