Synchron-ized Special Edition

BenjaminO

New Member
Judging by what you’re looking for (real acoustic instruments, not “epic” effects etc.), I think you’ll be very pleased with VSL. It’s too bad you can’t try before buying (unless you’re somehow able to make their cloud-based demo sessions work for you), because taste in VIs is so subjective. One option would be to buy and try a single SE section rather than immediately take the plunge on the whole library. The upgrade price tends to be little or no higher than the difference between the part and the whole. Myself, a few months before I bought my first VSL libs, I bought the EastWest platinum orchestra. Big disappointment. Very hard to connect with the instruments musically. VSL was like striking gold for me, as someone who likes to feel I’m playing the actual instruments in a small space where they can sing without need of embellishment (of course, sooner or later they do get the reverb and hot sauce). Put it another way, if you listen to the remarkable demos on the VSL site, they don’t lie. And even the SE edition subset of the VSL instruments covers a very generous range of articulations, including an astonishingly expressive legato.
Thank you very much for your thoughts SGordB. As much as I love the sound I've decided to avoid VSL after getting to know their license policies - not my cup of tea. Going to look some more or wait for sales from other developers.

Cheers!
 

pmcrockett

Senior Member
Question on VSL SE woodwinds. Not new versions

I assume Vol 1 Woodwinds is fine by all comments. Is the same said for Volume 2?
There's ensembles from what I can see included.

My dilemma is, do I go for:
Vol 1 + Plus library
Vol 1 + Vol 2 (no extra articulations)

Or just add all 4. But then I'm creeping into higher pricing where a full wind library from others may be more cost effective.
I have Vol 1 and Vol 1 Plus -- no Vol 2 -- and have never really felt like I needed the extra instruments because I've filled those holes with assorted libraries from other developers. Most of the stuff in Vol 2 isn't strictly necessary for creating a basic woodwind section. The three-player woodwind patches are the only things that stand out to me as potentially necessary, but multi-player patches aren't (IMO) as important for woodwinds as for brass and strings.

In terms of the extra content in Plus, the inclusion of portato and performance rep staccatos gives you more options in terms of short notes, which I like.

I think it's mostly a question of whether you'd rather have the multi-player patches or slightly more versatile single-player patches, and this depends mostly on your personal mockup style and what your current woodwind arsenal already contains.
 

JEPA

Senior Member
Some instruments got more articulations (for example trumpet Bb)

I think you will. as mentioned, additional articulations and instruments, and the eq and IR make it sound different, but in a good way.
where do I find my trumpet B?
 

SGordB

Active Member
Well that's useful for practically no one.
Indeed! But then, as noted by Ben, we have Paul from VSL -- as recently as a few days ago -- writing on their forum:


Hi Sam,

Looks like we can't do this in the near future, but you have a right to return your licenses of products purchased in the VSL webshop within 30 days. Hope that's a good option for you.

Best,
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
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For years, I've heard of this return policy, but in an apocryphal-feeling way. Frankly, it still feels kind of apocryphal, given that their fine print appears to say otherwise. Still, next time I'm on the fence about a VSL lib purchase, I may try this out, even if I have to email them in advance for confirmation.
 

ka00

Senior Member
Indeed! But then, as noted by Ben, we have Paul from VSL -- as recently as a few days ago -- writing on their forum:


Hi Sam,

Looks like we can't do this in the near future, but you have a right to return your licenses of products purchased in the VSL webshop within 30 days. Hope that's a good option for you.

Best,
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
_____

For years, I've heard of this return policy, but in an apocryphal-feeling way. Frankly, it still feels kind of apocryphal, given that their fine print appears to say otherwise. Still, next time I'm on the fence about a VSL lib purchase, I may try this out, even if I have to email them in advance for confirmation.
They do honour their 30 day return. I returned Synchron Strings.
 

SGordB

Active Member
Question on VSL SE woodwinds. Not new versions

I assume Vol 1 Woodwinds is fine by all comments. Is the same said for Volume 2?
There's ensembles from what I can see included.

My dilemma is, do I go for:
Vol 1 + Plus library
Vol 1 + Vol 2 (no extra articulations)

Or just add all 4. But then I'm creeping into higher pricing where a full wind library from others may be more cost effective.
This is VERY subjective, but when I bought my first VSL libs (SE1 standard and solo strings 1), the installation included a 30-day demo of SE2. I fell in love with their tenor and (particularly) alto saxes. So supple. So expressive. (Everything I play with that tenor sax sounds like cool jazz.) When the demo period ended, they were taken away from me :-( A few months later, someone was selling the full SE bundle here, and I snapped it up.

Again subjectively, there are a few other "value added" woodwinds in SE2 for me. In SE1, flute 1 is kind of in the "just right" zone, timbrally, but in SE2, flute 2 sparkles and shimmers while alto flute has a haunting, ghostly quality. I use all three flutes. But I don't have to have them.
 

Ben

VSL Support
Lovely mockup. My ONLY complaint is that it all sounds as if it was recorded with all the instruments at the back of the hall. Is that out of the box ambience?
No, I used the default preset (classic sound) and added TrueVerb with only a little bit of late reflections on the master bus.

After some feedback I have fine-tuned this piece a little more, so this is the updated version. To compare the different reverb-settings of the presets, I'll attach the same piece with different presets (Keep in mind I did not optimize the programming for the other presets).

Default "classic" preset with additional late-reflection on the master bus:
[AUDIOPLUS=https://vi-control.net/community/attachments/thegodfather_v3-mp3.20913/][/AUDIOPLUS]

Default "classic" preset without added late-reflection:
[AUDIOPLUS=https://vi-control.net/community/attachments/thegodfather_v3-noaddrev-mp3.20915/][/AUDIOPLUS]

"Close" preset:
[AUDIOPLUS=https://vi-control.net/community/attachments/thegodfather_v3-noaddrev-close-mp3.20916/][/AUDIOPLUS]

I disabled all reverbs (except for the Synchron percussion / piano where the reverb is recorded):
[AUDIOPLUS=https://vi-control.net/community/attachments/thegodfather_v3-dry-mp3.20917/][/AUDIOPLUS]

There is also a "Distant" preset with more reverb than the "classic", but I did not try / render it.
 

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I think it's mostly a question of whether you'd rather have the multi-player patches or slightly more versatile single-player patches, and this depends mostly on your personal mockup style and what your current woodwind arsenal already contains.
You pushed me in the right direction, wanting a more versatile setup. I initially bought just Vol 1 Woods and played with it until I felt there was something missing. As you kindly pointed out it was the other articulations. Once these were added it felt much better, I'd have kicked myself having let these go post 30th. Thanks!

Also thanks @SGordB for your input :thumbsup: I think I have enough on my plate with Vol 1, although I'll have to avoid VSL site as those other instruments you mention sound lovely.

Thanks guys
 

larry777

New Member
There is a VEP menu item that allows you to disable samples for VSL instruments. You’ll see the slots in the Synchron player fade for all instruments in the instance when you do this. In the settings (not sure where) there is an option to enable samples upon midi input ie when you play something with a particular articulation. This will load the relevant slot. The other thing you can do is to disable the VEP instrument by sending a midi controller message from your DAW. I’ve described the process I’m my last post here: https://www.vsl.co.at/community/posts/t52708-Synchron-SE-template-audio-buss-strategy-in-VE-Pro#post285871

The disabling of the entire instrument is relevant for Kontakt and Synchron whereas the disabling of the sample cells or slots is only relevant for VSL instruments.
Thank you very much.