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SGordB

Active Member
Thank you for your input mikefrommontreal. To answer your question: I'm not particularly interested in "epic" music at the moment (that might change someday but it is definitely not my priority). I'd say I prefer the more 'conventional' orchestral music at the moment which is something I am interested in exploring. I'd like to explore orchestral instruments (individual and ensembles) in other non-typical orchestral compositions. For example I really like what Snarky Puppy and The Metropole Orchestra have done on Snarky Puppy's album Sylva (I do own Komplete 12 which provides me with the other instruments which are typical of a band such as Snarky Puppy). I really love jazz and many of its modern offspring genres (funk, fusion, modern church gospel music, neo-soul, lo-fi hip hop and some big band music as well) and exploring orchestral instruments in such setting is something I'd like to try. Having solo instruments with a decent quality sound is definitely something I'd prefer over something that Albion One offers for example (only ensemble patches) but I don't want to exclude the ensemble instruments either.



Thank you for your input as well, Ben. I know that it might not be everything one needs but one has to start somewhere and I'd like not to start with something I'd regret purchasing (I think I'd regret choosing a library with poor sound quality more than missing some articulations).

Regarding the breath controller sugestion I must admit it does sound intriguing after checking what it does/can do. Thank you for the suggestion.



Manuel Stumpf, thank you for taking the time to share these suggestions and your thoughts. I'll definitely check the Hollywood Orchestra which I haven't considered yet. The others don't really seem to fit my needs based on your descriptions.



Hanu_H, thank you very much for your suggestion. I did take some time to listen to a few demos and some of them sound great while one of them did dissapoint me quite a lot with the sound quality (Lands To West of West by Tobias Escher at around the 1 minute mark). Will take the time tomorrow to listen to everything else.

Cheers!
Judging by what you’re looking for (real acoustic instruments, not “epic” effects etc.), I think you’ll be very pleased with VSL. It’s too bad you can’t try before buying (unless you’re somehow able to make their cloud-based demo sessions work for you), because taste in VIs is so subjective. One option would be to buy and try a single SE section rather than immediately take the plunge on the whole library. The upgrade price tends to be little or no higher than the difference between the part and the whole. Myself, a few months before I bought my first VSL libs, I bought the EastWest platinum orchestra. Big disappointment. Very hard to connect with the instruments musically. VSL was like striking gold for me, as someone who likes to feel I’m playing the actual instruments in a small space where they can sing without need of embellishment (of course, sooner or later they do get the reverb and hot sauce). Put it another way, if you listen to the remarkable demos on the VSL site, they don’t lie. And even the SE edition subset of the VSL instruments covers a very generous range of articulations, including an astonishingly expressive legato.
 

novaburst

Senior Member
Sure, it's crafty marketing, but as far as pure repackaging goes, other companies are far "worse offenders" than VSL - 8Dio
The nice thing about 8dio is they practically give away there older library's or at least slash them to over half price,

I have got a few gems from 8dio because of there no brainer giveaways,

VSL are ok with sales, but the Synchron development is not a game changer, especially when they are reinventing there older library's with very little difference than the existing sound for the most part.

I think it's time for Synchron Strings part two
And a fresh Synchron approach from VSL instead of the same old same old.

I think Synchron Strings part two has been on the shelf to long
 

Ben

Active Member
One option would be to buy and try a single SE section rather than immediately take the plunge on the whole library
You can go for the full library (or as many parts as you need) because VSL has a 30 day return policy.
 

SGordB

Active Member
You can go for the full library (or as many parts as you need) because VSL has a 30 day return policy.
I think that's only a refund for "unused goods." From their website (https://www.vsl.co.at/en/FancyBoxes/TERMS_SERVICE):

"Customer can withdraw from the contract by written notice (including email) or by return of the originally packed product without any traces of usage and especially without the registration of the serial number(s) of the product on the VSL Website within 2 weeks of delivery for a full refund. The same applies to Download Products given that a serial number of the download product has not been registered and/or that the download product has not been activated by entering an Activation Code. The return shipping cost is to be born by Customer, unless the return is a result of an error of VSL. In case of registration of the serial number and/or activation by entering an Activation Code, Customer may not withdraw from the contract; even the possibility of usage only will hinder such withdrawal unless proven by Customer that no usage of the product or service has taken place although the serial number has been registered and/or the Activation Code has been entered."
 

JPQ

Senior Member
Where is selected virtual close or stage mic? undersstand in this version is somewhere i think close mics works better if want use for example flute for solo in song get more focused sound.
 

Ben

Active Member
It is a mix of the real close mic and the virtual MIR mics. You can set the amount of "wet mics" (IR) in the mixer view of the Synchron Player. There are also presets for classic, close and distant sounding configurations.
 

JEPA

Senior Member
should I update to the Synch-Vol.1 Plus? I've already updated to the Synch-SEVol.1, cuz of the piano. What are the major advantages?
 

gyprock

Member
should I update to the Synch-Vol.1 Plus? I've already updated to the Synch-SEVol.1, cuz of the piano. What are the major advantages?
The Plus option just gives you more articulations. It does not add any instruments. The list can be found on the VSL web. In my VEP7 template I only add the Plus patches and disable some of the less used articulations and have them reload upon midi input.
 

gyprock

Member
The Plus option just gives you more articulations. It does not add any instruments. The list can be found on the VSL web. In my VEP7 template I only add the Plus patches and disable some of the less used articulations and have them reload upon midi input.
Ben beat me to an answer by a whisker.
 

shawnsingh

Active Member
should I update to the Synch-Vol.1 Plus? I've already updated to the Synch-SEVol.1, cuz of the piano. What are the major advantages?
The added articulations in the plus library - I would not have enjoyed my VSL special edition without the "plus" part, they were critical for me.

Fortepiano has a more rounded attack than sfz. So between sustain, sfz, fortepiano, and velocity xfade, it becomes possible to sculpt a large variety of attacks.

Similarly for portato/detached. Trills are essential too. One thing I haven't had a chance to try, but I think will work well, is to use the trills to program string runs. But you'll constantly switch between half step and whole step nearly every note, so it would take some patient programming.

Not to mention the other fx-like articulations come in very handy for their roles.
 

borisb2

Active Member
question about the sample content compared to the original VSL SE:

so far everybody is saying the samples are "more or less" similar, just repackaged, put in the new synchron-player with preset EQ (and convolution to place them)? They didnt do any new recordings? I guess if so, they would advertise that - so I kind of answered my own question while writing this :P

I just bought the woodwinds from VSL SE for a stellar 58.- (was my first VSL purchase) and quite like the sound (especially the legatos) - now I'm thinking of also getting the strings section - I really don't need the whole orchestra (having enough brass, perc, piano etc.) - but then again I'm not quite sure if would miss something soundwise compared to the synchronized version.

Thanks
 

Ben

Active Member
They didnt do any new recordings? I guess if so, they would advertise that
Some instruments got more articulations (for example trumpet Bb)
I'm not quite sure if would miss something soundwise compared to the synchronized version.
I think you will. as mentioned, additional articulations and instruments, and the eq and IR make it sound different, but in a good way.
 

larry777

New Member
The Plus option just gives you more articulations. It does not add any instruments. The list can be found on the VSL web. In my VEP7 template I only add the Plus patches and disable some of the less used articulations and have them reload upon midi input.
Hi, could you explain how do you reload the patches upon midi input with vep 7 ? i am struggling to do that and never found any explanation.
 

gyprock

Member
Hi, could you explain how do you reload the patches upon midi input with vep 7 ? i am struggling to do that and never found any explanation.
There is a VEP menu item that allows you to disable samples for VSL instruments. You’ll see the slots in the Synchron player fade for all instruments in the instance when you do this. In the settings (not sure where) there is an option to enable samples upon midi input ie when you play something with a particular articulation. This will load the relevant slot. The other thing you can do is to disable the VEP instrument by sending a midi controller message from your DAW. I’ve described the process I’m my last post here: https://www.vsl.co.at/community/posts/t52708-Synchron-SE-template-audio-buss-strategy-in-VE-Pro#post285871

The disabling of the entire instrument is relevant for Kontakt and Synchron whereas the disabling of the sample cells or slots is only relevant for VSL instruments.
 

James H

01001000 01101001
Question on VSL SE woodwinds. Not new versions

I assume Vol 1 Woodwinds is fine by all comments. Is the same said for Volume 2?
There's ensembles from what I can see included.

My dilemma is, do I go for:
Vol 1 + Plus library
Vol 1 + Vol 2 (no extra articulations)

Or just add all 4. But then I'm creeping into higher pricing where a full wind library from others may be more cost effective.
 

robgb

I was young once
I finally had some time to take a deeper look into the Synchronized Special Editions (all volumes).
I've created a mock-up of "The Godfather" soundtrack (I've used [youtube] as template, but I did not create an exact copy).

[AUDIOPLUS=https://vi-control.net/community/attachments/thegodfather-mp3.20702/][/AUDIOPLUS]

I used some plugins on the master bus (exciter, compressor, some additional late reflactions, saturation), but used the instruments mostly out of the box (except the choir: I EQ'ed them to sing uuh instead of aah).

I like the new intruments / articulations that were added, especially: Trumpet Bb (plays from the start), Solo Sopran (2:37), Harmonium (0:33), Synchron Percussion, Basson 2, Synchron Piano (5:39).

I'm happy if you give feedback on the mock-up, and if you have any questions about the SE versions I'll do my best to answer them :)
Lovely mockup. My ONLY complaint is that it all sounds as if it was recorded with all the instruments at the back of the hall. Is that out of the box ambience?
 
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robgb

I was young once
"Customer can withdraw from the contract by written notice (including email) or by return of the originally packed product without any traces of usage and especially without the registration of the serial number(s) of the product on the VSL Website within 2 weeks of delivery for a full refund. The same applies to Download Products given that a serial number of the download product has not been registered and/or that the download product has not been activated by entering an Activation Code. T
Well that's useful for practically no one.
 
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